RuMR

oh...i'm a pansy...i never get more than one-thousand out on gear or bolts...

anytime, ben, anytime!! ahahaha...need 4" of dirt on everything though!!!!

you counting time to post deletion??

but pope is still a tool...

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but what knot do you use????

Ben I thought you were going away. My view is that if the crux pitch of a route is 5.11 then bolts should be placed so that someone who leads at that grade will feel more or less comfortable. The hard pitches may require a number of bolts, but the 5.7 pitch leading to the hard bits should be run out. Also no bolts next to cracks that you can reasonably protect. I can see why Gorilla my dreams has bolts, and I can see why a pitch with thin expanding flakes might require bolts, but there's a ton of stuff out there that can be naturally protected yet it has bolts right next to cracks. kurt, your ability to dig into the bowels of cc.com is impressive, I guess. That was that dumb pollock szyjakowski who said that....now wasn't it? This is the new nicer me. Hold back the applause. "bwrts" is my initials so anyone who thinks I hide behind some dumb avatar name can take back that thought. "szyjakowski" was an old family name so whatever....and btw, you are right Kurt, I do care about how the rock and nature is mistreated by people who think they own the world and do whatever they think is right for them...ya know people kinda like the idiot in the whitehouse. Bolts next to cracks are gay and fukin pathetic. If you so feel the rock must be climbed even with hard to protect crack, then Top Rope the peyotch. Otherwise stick your drill up your ass and go home. Rudy===>> FO!! ahh...i'm touched!

shutup ben...

point taken...although a runout death route has far less eyesore potential than your hypothetical situation...

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the use of the word "dork" would put you comfortably in your late 20's to mid thirties...couple that with perma-prowl syndrome, i'm going to venture a guess of about 32-33... PFFFFT!

no, matt, what he is saying is that if you put up a route, do it for yourself, in the manner you see fit and don't worry about others... I personally agree with him, in part, because i'm sick of the TeamREI phenomenon that is replicating a gym experience outside instead of the other way around... New people have never acquired one necessary "skill" that i believe is imperative for outside climbing...ie, being able to judge, for themselves, just how much risk they should take vs. how skilled they are at two things a.) protection and b.) climbing skills... Go to a place like newhalem and you will see what i'm talking about...its GROSS!! Jeezus some sport areas make the gym look runout!! Whatever happened to our sport??? Christ, when i started it would be inconceivable to actually sue someone over rockclimbing...now, its a real concern...and its because of this gym/REI phenomenon of getting everyone and their brother into it... AND YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND WITH REGARDS TO IDIOTZ LIKE POPE/DWAYNER, but they do have their point...

well...bob did say that he was "spreading" the lies and rumors...

bravo! well put...

cool...more boulder problems!!

exactly...its a calculated risk...and as you said, there are many more 11's that are safer to go climb...i sound like pope, but not everything needs to be sanitized...so "dont climb it duh."

what? They won't let you play with them????

classic!

oh...poop and dwanus make a lot of "noise" back in their love grotto...totally weird like...don't wanna know

the bolts on it are modern, if few...not 1/4 ers like what was put in on the fa...

why is it someone else's safety the first ascensionist's concern?? That is stupid...if you get scared, can't handle it, then don't try it... what now? You propose suing the first ascensionist???

it was poop and dwanus hiding in the bushes...they hatessss those nasty little quickdrawessss....

you obviously aren't a parent...

my post was directed at dr fat ass...