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sometimes you might get slapped in the face though...

mebbe had you set the gear right in the first place it wouldn't have been an issue... some hard trad climbing actually protects "better" than hard bolted climbing...ie, you can stuff gear wherever you choose...

I'm too fat, you'd throw your back out...plus, if you did manage to get me over the edge, i'd take a passenger with me!!!

Why? Just tell me why! or what? you gonna throw us off the ledge

Tim...if you head over there, i'd approach it from above and clean on the way down...do not climb into this shit...its a minefield right now... Also, put a note up to keep people away while you are cleaning...

P S Y C H O B I T C H ! ! !

man, i didn't want to walk over there...i was bracing myself for some really sick stuff...had my buddies dig out their cell phones to call 911...made my kids look away and not come over... Weird weird day at index...not a dull moment all day long... Glad you guys are ok! And thanks for the knife, thai peanuts, and matches...

what does that mean? the place is a miniclone of Indian creek...

This just in... pax, chuck and oly have a three way goin'!

coach Tyson! team took 1st place at nationals...those monkey farts worked hard for this...

bored again, tool??

you are such a geek enginerd! hahahaha

Thanks guy. I'll take some diamox and climb up Eagle Mountain and see if I get sick. I won't drink any water and I'll carry a big pack full of my spring-loaded camming devices to simulate my upcoming Godzilla climb. is it hard to be a dick all the time?

could you be getting nauseous from exertion as opposed to altitude? Or nerves???

that's millisecond...you just bit it...

go back to bejing...

all the more reason not to belong to just one camp or school of thought...oftentimes, the gym produces far superior "moving" skills...precisely what is needed on runout scrambling 5.EZ shit that is not protectable, while prescribing to the mountaineer school of thought of trad only climbing will get you in trouble on scrambles due to slowness and ineptitude... one must engage in all aspects of climbing, from bouldering to hard sport climbing, to crack climbing to delicate slab climbing to become competent on rock. one dogma or form of climbing is no better nor worse than another... one oughta be able to flash consistently at one level regardless of the style of climbing... Anyway, that's all i've got to say... PP is the most correct poster yet on this board when he says that it is a moment of inattentiveness that ultimately will kill you; and yes minx, i think it all boils down to using your brain...even if that means saying "you know, i don't know what the hell i'm doing and i need to go get somebody to show me"...if you are stupid/ignorant/or uninformed you are going to die in certain environments unless you got lucky or believe in the grace of god...deal with it...

BINGO...the jellyfish scored a point...

no, he's saying exactly what i'm saying... Wouldn't you say that blind belief in rope and gear and bolts always working ala sportclimbing is a form of dogma?????? In fact, its as dogmatic in the other direction as the ol' mantra "the leader shall not fall"... either one is not appropriate for every case... I'm learning alot about teaching this stuff because I'm working with my oldest child now...he's venturing into climbing and before i tell him "do this" i always make HIM tell me what should happen and why to make him THINK...BTW, he's almost seven and displays a lot more judgement than a lot of the idiots on this board do...

that is the long version of what i've been saying all along...you must use your brain first! dogma is not gonna save you...

arguing with you is pointless...you are a giant blob of gelatinous nothingness, an intellectual jellyfish if you will...

and maybe a prussik will and maybe it won't...why not just not rap off the end of your rope??