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wow...a fellow virginian...hey fuck off now...

i remember watching mark twat climbing at smith in the early 90's sketching all over mid 5.10's at smith thinking to myself "So, this is alpinist-extraordinaire?" Maybe he worked on that whole little skill acquisition bit in the meantime...

source well...already rolled over and gave up in my 30's...NEXT!

baseball does screw 'em up...look at me!! Played 3rd base and short stop for 7 years...stupid sport... dumb sport...one guy gets all the action (pitcher), catcher gets to play target...the rest of the team stands there counting clover leaves...UNTIL, that one time shot at glory comes your way...oh, yeah, and you get to swing a stick at a ball a couple of times...and let's not forget the chants "we wanna pitcher, not a belly itcher, blah blah blah"... once again i reiterate "b ball :tdown:" I'm takin my kids climbing/campin'/skiing and for organized sports...soccer... strength training comes from climbing team practice and swimming laps...yep...got it all figgered out now... send me a check for $19.95 and i'll develop a parenting plan for you too!

ball is

how can you not like to EAT??? man...food frickin' ROCKS!

ok folks...back to climbing please...it is the only real pursuit...carry on...

ok folks...back to climbing please...it is the only real pursuit...carry on...

I'd kick batman's ass...

lemmings...actually, not so much

bug...very similar to what happened to me...i was a little more "vocal" and wound up telling the guy "if you touch my rope, i'm gonna get pissed and its gonna get ugly"...damn, i was furious...it has colored every view i've had of them since...the other occasion was a mazama group at smiff...

GRRRR! I HOPE YOU GET RAINED ON...

my life/world has revolved around my fucking cube...this f-ing blows...

i'm stuck at work...just shoot me...its cheaper than buying me a new life...

eat a dick?? hey, fuck you too!

I wish you the best of success with "Project Tvash". Trash is the best argument yet walking for a retroactive abortion, imo...

Funny, I paid taxes which educated "other people's" kids before I had kids in school, and will be paying for "other people's" kids in just a few years. Ditto for medical care of others. And I'm sure I've kicked in more than my fair share over the years, since I've always paid income and payroll deduction taxes. And I'm coughing up at least $1000 a month for insurance, but hey, keep pretending that YOU pay for MY kids. I assure you that I pay significantly more taxes than you do. But that is beside the point. Why would it seem like I am "pretending" that I pay for your kids, but you feel justified in saying that they will support me when I am old? Can you see the problem there? wont it be the children of today who pay your social security, medicare and medicade? we are certinly paying for our parents generation now. the problem being, their generation out numbers ours drasticly. because they had fewer children it will be a significant strain on the economy when all the boomers hit retirement. Muffy, have you looked at what SSI pays? My answer to your question (the same I answered to K3) is no, I do not expect to rely on SSI. I save more than 20% of my income every year in preparation for retirement and have done so for a long time. I have no plans to ensure my care to the hands of strangers with a system that may not be there when I am old. I was raised to believe that I must take care of myself. I have done so since I was 16 and I plan on doing everything in my power to be able to continue to do so until I am 116. i always thought you were gonna live to be 666!?!?!

listen, i said thanks, didn't i? Still doesn't mean i have to like it...

No minxy...that's not quite right...i find that recordings "suggesting" that what i like is the only activity that they like played on repeat all night long has been the ticket...i have 2 ropeguns under development...i have not yet begun (cue: evil sinister maniacal laughter) brainwashing the 21 month old little girl...at 2 years, intense doctrination into the climbing world will begin for her!!! THIS IS ALL PART OF THE PLAN....AHHAHAHAHAHAHA....SOON, THE WIFE WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO FOLLOW HER CHILDREN INTO THE VERTICAL ABYSS!!!

plus, you can toss 'em into your skiboots also!! ...granted, the intuition liner won't be fitted to the shell, but it'll still fit your foot...

tomtom, you're a fuckin' tool...but that owl pic ROCKS...i've used it a ton at work in emails...

I think now you are saying something reasonable. I'd be pissed too if I was at a crag and it got swarmed. The group I'm in gets up really early so we can get there first, and we schedule our rock outings for late winter/early spring to try not to be in the way. Even so, if my group was at a crag and you showed up, we'd probably be able to work something out. maybe, maybe not...you, as the trip organizer, will naturally owe serious due to people who signed up under your org...obviously, you will support your group first, and i will be muttering "assholes" under my breath and will vent it...

I don't know, but I participated in the rescue of a climber with a broken ankle off the seracs at Mount Baker without SAR or Mountain Rescue assistance. What are you really getting at? Self-rescue is extremely difficult in any circumstance, even if you have been exposed to the concepts. Even if you are an expert. I think it's virtually impossible for a small group to rescue anyone over miles of terrain, you always need a lot of people for that. It's the things you can do immediately when an accident occurs in the backcountry, before emergency responders have a chance to show up, that are more likely to make the difference between life and death. I am convinced that a graduate of one of the intermediate courses has a leg up on most self-taught climbers, merely by having spent at least one weekend working on self-rescue techniques. How many of you who have never taken a class have practiced any self-rescue? Maybe I am mistaken but I feel like this is something that is usually overlooked. Basic class graduates... yeah, I don't think they have much knowledge by which to execute a rescue. But this is no worse than a group of friends who picked up FOTH and started figuring it out for themselves. I think this is really just a recurring argument that happens whenever someone mentions a climbing club: anyone who is self-taught or whose buddy was a climber and brought him into the sport wants to chime in and diss the big group. The way you learned might have advantages but it isn't an option for a lot of people. Purely by the numbers it doesn't work out. In a class like this, an 8-student team can learn a lot from 3-4 instructors and come out of the class fairly knowledgable, fairly safe, and ready to continue their climbing education in whatever way they see fit (or quit, which a lot of them do). It works pretty well. There are different ways of doing things than what you have done. I was impressed when I saw Pope in the newbies forum volunteering to help out a beginner. That is constructive; most of this thread is not. i dissed the "group" for calling dibs on a cliff in advance...basically saying "Look, we are going to X, so YOU go somewhere else"...how can you interepret fender's post anyway else????

Well...FWIW i can't stand organized climbing...it goes against everything that attracted me to climbing in the first place...Its great that other people get something from it, but it isn't for me. On a personal note, i have been "pushed" out of areas before when i've had a couple of young kids with me. Unfortunately, young kid climbing (read: easy approach, low angle, readily topropeable) is exactly what these types of groups need.

short answer...NO, they aren't really less likely to need professional help anymore than others as a group...