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i gotta say i agree here. i want my misery all at one time and in as short an amount of time as possible. it's gunna suck though. call me if you want to chat.

it scares me when i agree with you i used to think i needed fancy climbing clothes to climb in. now i just where whatever i can find. and *gasp* i even wear cotton and dennim to crag in I'm a rebel

i want to learn to surf. and i know i will suck. i am a sucky climber too

You have knocked my socks off yet again, Muffy. And a Taoist to boot. Let me know if you want to run off to Arizona and make me a happy man. can i bring my boyfriend? xoxoxoxoox come back to Oregon and visit me. I miss you HUGS

hey i signed that petition when i was 18

that is too cute!!

you better PM me and tell me what you said

i did find this place. it turned out to be right down the street from my uncles house. i could see that there were some really awsome boulders behind some fences. but i wasn't really willing to risk it with the kiddos in tow. the three boulders that were near the road had some interesting problems ranging from V-easy to V-holyshit. all in all despite all the broken glass and the 3 boulder problems covered in teenage rebellion puke... it was a fun way to spend a couple of hours away from my home crags. i would go back at sun rise and hit the boulders that were behind the fences.

p.s this weekend i went hiking with my Mustang Sally and we got totally lost on some forest roads. we were looking for Indigo lake but found some other little lake instead. we got a late start and with the time for being totally lost we didn't get on a trail until way late... we were the furthest out in the wilderness i have ever been... so much so i had that moment when i got prickles at the back of my neck and thought that if i didn't get out of there before dusk i was gunna be dinner....

I am sorry i laughed bill. did you make baking soda paste to pull the owe out?

that is fodder for a long conversation over beers I'd look forward to that one. I'll buy. you are so on

i am a mom it is my job to be up tight. they have a dad to introduce them to the wild and crazy side of life a person can not be muffy and mommy all at the same time.... They will discover your true identity and use it against you when they are teenagers. Better to get it out in the open now. oh shit BTW The "uptight" comment was at parents in general. Not a personal attack. Although you do seem to have a nerve ending there. Oh and one more thing, your kids are going to figure out how to search the cc.com database on "Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer" before you figure out they have. Get your rationalizations ready now. No worries Bug, I did not take offense. I am a rather up tight parental figure. be design. the funny thing is they already know i am Muffy and that i call them the Things on line. They have met a ton of cc.comers. however they have witnessed very little debauchery. 7 hours is a long way to drive to get a hang over...

fuck that. What is "our" agenda? Fortunately, I doubt very much the climbing community is cohesive enough for this to work. The last thing I want is some fucking group to decides what "our agenda" is. Climbing is a way of communing with the very nature of existance. Standing atop a remote summit, viewing the world, I am reminded of the complete and utter insignifigance of humanity, and I am awed by the beautiful, but simple fact, that the universe even exists at all. Humans and all the bullshit emotions and rules and laws and definitions that we cling to completely ruin that emptiness. Climbing as a religion must be equally without formal rules, organization or dogma, lest you destroy the very thing that makes it special. that is the very essence of the Tao. and the most challenging and simple way to live. and ignoring that the rest of the world exists does not make it go away. i wish it did. with all my heart and being. i agree with you and disagree with you all at the same time. In my heart i would rather hike and climb and be unencumbered by rules and barriers and inhibitions created by a society that i do not agree with. yet i can also see that the rest of society does exist and the longer i am on this planet the more i am forced to live by other peoples rules becuase i have not been willing to make my own. you are right. i do not believe climbers will ever organize. and i think the sport will be lost and outlawed because of that. perhaps not in our life times... but it will happen. it is already happening. slowly while we are not looking the natural places that are left are shrinking, being purchased, fenced off so you have to pay to enter, and being pillaged for the "greater good." *sigh*

I'm glad you did not get hurt and that your girlfriend's injuries will heal over time. A few questions I have are: when her child would not move from the unsafe area, was there any communication about pausing the climb until the child complied and moved? Was there any consequence to the child for not listening and creating an unsafe situation? I grant that 5 years old is a bit young to understand consequences and to have self discipline, but generally kids that age can understand clear rules. Would having a third adult helped? Aside from physically dragging the child out of the way, which would also have been distracting to their mother, what would have changed? You still have a child who did not have the discipline to understand that climbing is dangerous and if s/he did not listen and behave properly, the activity would be stopped. I think crags are seen as somewhere to go "have fun" but it needs to be recognized (by kids and adults) that there are risks. That's why there are rescue litters on each side of the Smith Rocks cliffs. IMO, lowering off and dealing with the fact that the situation was unsafe and that the child was creating a distraction that could result in serious injury or death, then reclimbing or leaving a couple draws on the climb would have been better than the worst possible scenario. exceptionally well said. any time we had an issue with discipline at the crag the boys were grounded from all climbing related activities until they could prove they were able to follow rules. imho as soon as the 5 year old started to push limits the trip should have been called whether there was a third adult or not. If children are going to climb they have to learn that what they do affects the whole party of climbers... just as it would if they were and adult. often times children are treated as accessories rather than team members. I think this is a mistake and if you want the kids out there give them responsibilities and clear boundaries. why was the older child not entertaining the younger one?

I am so glad to hear you are okay. this is a really good example as to why i have not climbed with my kids very often. it impairs my climbing and my attention to the climber to have to be watching two active boys all the time. it is better now that they boys are older and have a better understanding of what is going on and that lives hang in the balance. when my boys were younger i climbed in parties of at least 3 adult climbers. one to watch the kids one to belay and one to climb. this worked exceptionally well for me. I strongly suggest you get all of you plus another adult back out climbing as soon as possible.

i am a mom it is my job to be up tight. they have a dad to introduce them to the wild and crazy side of life a person can not be muffy and mommy all at the same time.... They will discover your true identity and use it against you when they are teenagers. Better to get it out in the open now. oh shit

that is fodder for a long conversation over beers

i am a mom it is my job to be up tight. they have a dad to introduce them to the wild and crazy side of life a person can not be muffy and mommy all at the same time....

Oh, Muffy. I'm crying right along with you. Doubt mr.rmncwrtr will let me go on my own. Darn it. I have been so busy lately that i just can't have someone watch the things again. i have yet to make it to one of these wa events. maybe some day. and no i wont bring them along. they are right at that impressionable age. they have enough bad influences in their lives

that is why i decided to take up scuba. I will be certified soon. When i was in Hawi 3 years ago i had so much fun snorkeling. ps my boyfriend is in Hawaii with out me right now. on the plus side he is not certified yet either

If it can be defined it is not genuine Tao. Tao is the opposite of defined and organized. if it already is so why must you make it so? for reals though, i am down with the church of climbing. in thinking about it many of the Taoist principles apply as do many of the principles of druidism. I am personally torn. On one hand i can see that it would be of our benefit and give us "spiritual ground" to stand on when people of other faiths proclaim that we can not climb on their rocks because it is against their religion... If climbers could actually work together and have some kind of coalition a lobby and gain some political influence we could work towards our own agenda rather than being at the whim of others who do not understand our needs. on a more spiritual side of things, it is my firm belief that god hates it when you pray inside a building. he created this beautiful diverse amazing planet and people go INSIDE a building to pray to god... i have never understood that. seems like blasphemy to me. can i write the book and be a guru and travel all over the world spreading the word? that would make me so happy

DAMN IT!!!!! i have kids that weekend. when are we doing tough luv????

I tried but he doesn't like me like that *snif*