for the record, I climb because I am a climber. I am NOT a 'GIRL CLIMBER' some of the best information I have recieved on this site about peeing outside, for instance came from Necro. I am not affraid to ask my woman questions here in the public, and you shouldn't be afrrais either. If we expect to climb with men then they have to deal with the fact that we(well some of us) bleed and have to dispose of garbage... etc. this is an open fourum for everyone. we should ALL be allowed to discuss any topic that is reasonable.There is no boys or girls sing out side.. we all pee by the same tree I find the out doors to be a wonderful equalizer. where I am more likely to be treated as an equal, and frankly I like that.