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Now that would be really impressive.

This is really a poorly constructed poll with not enough well thought out response choices, and I think your personal bias is too easily discerned.

Oh noes, are you a drummer Pink? Hmmm, that would make my comment a little bit awkward.

I'm giving you feedback on both your thread title and your poll questions, not spraying.

damn OFF i figured you were one of those cool dudes that thought everyone had some sort of value What, you've never heard a drummer joke before?

I like the curved Metolius hexes, very light too. The three smallest old Chouinard wired hexes have a permanent place on my rack.

Uh, you already let your opinion out of the bag by shouting out your thread title in ALL CAPS DUDE. Haven't seen 'em, so I don't really have an opinion. You didn't put an "I don't care" option, so I can't really vote in your poll.

Thanks Kurt, that was my thought exactly. Most excellent clip. Am I wrong, or is Fee Waybill's "guitar" not actually plugged in?

Oh, it's just the Velvet's drummer, I thought maybe some musicians had joined the Tea Party.

The funny thing in the sports porn vid is all the things with long slings and up to four quickdraws clipped together. You're putting up a sport route, you've top roped it, you know where it's going, it's just poor craftsmanship to put the bolt in the wrong place. Well, unless you're on something like Goose Egg where the driving concern is where is the good rock that'll take a solid bolt. Kev, ground up onsite first ascents are generally recognized as the best style, a long standing tradition in climbing. It doesn't always leave the best route behind, particularly in a climate and rock type that needs substantial cleaning, scrubbing, and loose rock removal. It is however the gold standard for new routes and quite worthy of respect.

We've had a number of those sort of reminders in the last few years, haven't we? I'm feeling a little less cavalier about my assumptions of control out in the mountains. Steph, your TR's are a great gift to other climbers, and your well told tale of this accident is no exception. Here's to your swift and complete healing.

You can probably fly to Phoenix for the same money and save a number of hours driving. It is certainly a grade V drive from here, you will make one bivy.

Most likely Scott Ayers.

Took my youngest to the river too, in Ann Arbor MI while en route to dropping her off at college in Asheville NC. That's a long way from home. Since my stepson was 1-1/2 years old when I got involved with my wife, we've realized this is the first time in 27 years we haven't had a child living at home with us.

I'm in the most of the time camp, pretty much for anything except top roping or following single pitch routes. I know a few too many people with really close calls in lead falls, funny things can happen very quickly, and head injuries can be really serious. It's been a tough conversion, as I climbed rock for years and years without one, I always seemed to bang my head more wearing the clunky things alpine climbing, and anything more than a bandanna or Whillans style cap was just too uncool. However, modern light helmets are much more comfortable than the old brain buckets and I've come to realize I was never cool in the first place.

"You're a grown adult, does that seem appropriate to you?"

First time? Wow, you're in for a treat. RR has some of the best long moderate climbs in the country. Hope its warm enough to climb in the canyons, start early, bring a headlamp. Last time I was there we stayed in the campground. Granted, we were in the group camp, up at the end of it too, but it wasn't half bad. We all pretty much left when it got light, came back after dark, and just grilled meat and swilled beer around the fire. The hill blocked out the freeway behind us, and Starbucks was literally 5 minutes away. Now, I didn't stay down in the individual sites, but I'd much rather camp on a climbing trip than stay in some motel, but I think both the strip and television are really really dull. Oh, another thumbs up on Black Orpheus, really fun and light for the grade. Combine the first three pitches into two to save a little time. The hike and descent are just part of the fun.

Nice. I delivered my daughter to college in Asheville for college this summer, it was nice to poke about up along the Blue Ridge Parkway where the air was a little cooler. North Carolina's a beautiful state. Hope your event goes swimmingly.

Oh stop it, you're gonna make me blush.

Last time I was at Spiderman some Canadians did it as a single pitch. I can't recall if they were using a 70m rope, but it would be a great long single pitch.

Every once in awhile you let slip the fact that you really are a climber. You should do that more often.

Oh, hah hah HAH, I get it, by saying that you're implying that Tvash is gay! You really are a dull tool, aren't you?