Off_White

MrDolittle is spot on. The art of course is close to the ground, but you'll see several petroglyphs immediately left of the climb. As she places her second piece, her foot is less than 12" away from it. Do you think you could get a little help out of smearing against the rough surface of the petroglyph? That's the kind of stunt that gets areas shut down, and it doesn't matter if the crack is 13b or 5.7.

I must be missing something, or you're tripping again ChucK.

I'm not sure that "here here" actually has a use. From "The Straight Dope:"

Hear hear! Though I believe the Replacements tune is "Unsatisfied" isn't it? Brilliantly depressing, though perhaps surpassed by "Here Comes A Regular." Dead Moon at Dante's in PDX on 3/20

We had a great family outing at Spring Mountain in Eastern Oregon, nice mix of easy & hard, all at that family friendly 1/2 pitch length. Free camping, no forest pass needed, but it's too early if you're thinking to go really soon.

Old TR's are just fine, we all like a good story, and I imagine quite a few folks would like to hear about an ascent of the North Norweigan Buttress.

Yes, I knew that. Thank you for sharing.

Gosh CBS, you sound sort of close minded in your assessment, but at least you're sure you're right.

I think that's one thing that GW "I'm a divider, not a uniter" Bush is making clear. "Conservatives" as a term covers a lot of territory, and it's far from a monolithic block. My father counts himself as a conservative, libertarian end of the spectrum, once a borderline John Birch Society type, and he finds the imperial posture of the neo-con cabal currently in power horrifying. A lot of people who consider themselves some type of "conservative" don't like various aspects of whats going on in the executive branch these days. I know a few who have gone over to the Kerry side of the fence, and it's these crucial swing votes that will decide the election if you ask me.

Yup, you missed something.

In the "what would you climb" (great beta there by the way) Catbirdseat asked if there was any crack bouldering out there. Rather than drift that thread, I moved my response to a new one. CBS: if you want to check out bouldering with cracks, you should head down to Mt. Woodson near San Diego. Stacks and stacks of cracks, though most often they get top roped.

So figure this: Since Napster got shut down, I buy less music. It used to be a great thing to search for something relatively obscure, then browse the libraries of people who came up in the search. The theory was that if they found that band interesting, I might find that the other bands they listen to interesting. I found a bunch of things I'd otherwise never have come in contact with that way, and it very much enriched my muscial life and spurred any number of purchases. Granted, I'm mostly interested in the more obscure and indie music worlds, so Janet Jackson or Limp Bizket never lost a dollar to me, but exploring and tunneling after new music is a much slower process for me these days. To that end, I must say that Fern and E-Rock turned me on to some great stuff, so CC.Com plays it's part in my music universe.

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Plenty of label alternatives out there that deal nicely with their acts: Kill Rock Stars YoYo Recordings Chainsaw Records K Records Majnun Records Punk in my Vitamins Slide the Needle Strange Attractors Audio House and that's just in Olympia... Of course, you'll never play arenas, and only a handful of bands will ever quit their day jobs. Kind of like trying to make your living from climbing.

great stories, and excellent use of the old "I need to pee" avatar image, Chuck!

I'm sure you recall the old "Joshua Tree 5.9" systematic sandbag system.

Happy Birthday. Got the day off?

It's been a long time since I've been in a gym, but I always found the 5.X ratings applied to those things bizarre, but I found the ratings hard compared to the real world. Funny that it swings the other way for gym folk.

I have a good friend who was on top of the route during the earthquake in 1980 (I think that was the year). He was very happy to be anchored to the wall, rather than the pillar, which moved back and forth rather distinctly. I was on The Mouth on the apron at the same time, ringside seat for a good rockslide off Liberty Cap. A few days later we descended from Middle Cathedral and the entire gully was covered in grit and impact scars, and all the small trees that were left had been skinned bare of bark by the rockfall. Yosemite is a scary place when it's in a geologically active mood.

web page Lots of rock, dearth of alpine. Canon Tajo in Mexico (where Trono Blanco is) is pretty grand, but you might need to make some friends to find it and scope the routes.

No Fern, you're the original. What is that thing, a Dalek?

Pleased to be of service, Sir Richard.

Which do you like better, that or the current edition?

It can go either way, and it all depends on how the season goes and how much snow they got over the winter. I've been there at that time and it's been great, and another time been snowed and stormed on (though we did squeeze in a couple climbs). Be aware that those roads out there get ultra slimey when wet, and the 4wd Bronco we were in didn't seem to help much.