Greg_W

Actually Greg, Erden was using a Petzl Reverso not a Gri-Gri at the time of the accident. Also he stated that he thought he had pulled some of the slack through the belay device and then wrapped it around his arm giving him a nasty rope burn when it caught. Anyone who choses to use a Gri-Gri to belay a trad leader is free to climb without me... Also small point but i think many would appreciate you not refering to him as having killed himself, but rather him having died... Oh, my bad; I heard that a GriGri was used. I apologize for the incorrect information. Regarding your other bitch. I call it as I see it - Goran chose to do what he did and it ended in his death. HE engaged in the activity that KILLED him. Why sugar coat it so you can feel more warm and fuzzy?

Like Trask here: Bwahahahaha!!! you oughta post a warning about that pic... You got a boner again, didn't ya?

Like Trask here: Bwahahahaha!!!

T800? Yes, but that was debunked by NTSB engineers after all the data was available. The whole missile strike thing was based on thin information and a lot of emotional fear-mongering.

"I know NUSSING!!!"

This sort of reminds me of that airport security nonsense that Al "Woodenhead" Gore drove through Congress after TWA 800 before the NTSB could even get all the parts in one place. Then we find out it was an electrical problem and the legislation is still in place.

Darn, I was hoping you would be hiking from Red Rocks to Nome and thus be off the board for a long, long time.

Yeah, but you weren't a part of the original Putsch, so you'll be passed over. Better than ending it on a night of long knives..... Actually, members of the original putsch (most members of the original Brownshirts organization, or SA) WERE slain in the night of the long knives. Gee, it's really cool how much you know about Nazi history! I think so, too.

I'm surprised you can see anything with Trask's balls bouncing off your chin nightly.

Yeah, but you weren't a part of the original Putsch, so you'll be passed over. Better than ending it on a night of long knives..... Actually, members of the original putsch (most members of the original Brownshirts organization, or SA) WERE slain in the night of the long knives.

Yeah, but you weren't a part of the original Putsch, so you'll be passed over.

They pour it back over ice to make you think you are getting a lot more than you are, for one. For two, it keeps it cold when you leave the shop. I think it's all really just showmanship; most baristas are pretty clueless.

Fuck yeah!!! Good idea, eri-cunt.

It strikes me as odd that Jonny Ashcroft is out stumping up support and trying to make us all feel good about the Patriot Act. Many of you may feel the same, but my thought is: "If it is such good legislation, why do they feel the need to make all this effort to convince us that it IS good legislation? Should it be able to stand on its own merit? And if it can't, doesn't that tell you something?" Discuss, stir the pot, feed the fear and hate...as always we must follow the dictum of Warell Dane and "...feed the truth into the engines of hate." Greg_W

Figured jon's real last name was "Ashcroft".

or be liebacking, fall, and have the weight of your rack make you fall upside down. i got a bump on my head from just such a fall last week. ouch. (my helmet was being held hostage in a friend's car from a previous outing.) Can't you just put all that hair in a bun-type thing? That ought to protect your noggin when you're sans helmet.

Well, if you'd stop stealing them and leaving skid marks I could spend more time climbing...ho-bag

Cars don't cause accidents, people do. Hence the advice to "be careful out there", dorkjob. Nice to see that you're extra slow on the uptake today, crotch-sniffer.

Under what circumstances does one use a GriGri to provide a lead belay? In my limited experience, quickly feeding large amounts of slack with a GriGri is not an easy task. When a leader wants slack, they want it now!!! and in those situations a GriGri seems to work against me more than it works with me. I know, and have climbed with, people who use a GriGri to belay a leader. Actually, Erden used one when Goran Kropp killed himself. I don't like them when I'm leading; it seems that what you say is correct: it's a bit tougher to feed rope out quickly. I'm tall and make some quick, long moves and have felt the tug of my belayer not being able to keep up.

I don't want my lack of response to be taken as lack of ability to back up what I say, but I don't have my information at hand.

I'll see what I can do.

Is he back from Russia? I miss that little Scottish pixie.

Answer your own question and provide your own data if you want to discuss this in a reasonable manner. Your post has no meaning other than to apply an uneducated smear on legitimate information I am trying to communicate. Greg_W

Thanks for the love, sweetcake.