Greg_W

You'll never improve getting yanked around by your dick all the time. hehehe. This weekend it's the rents, next weekend the plants need to be rotated, after that you'll be rearranging the spice rack, dusting her vintage Barbie collection, helping her do a home permanent on her sister, vacuuming HER brand new car that YOU never get to drive, and on and on and on. Might as well sell your rack and rope now, man. I'll give you $100 for the lot.

I want to see the photoshopped pic of allison, then. C'mon, veggie, post it.

is this true? I don't think you can say there is an blanket "ideal" out there, since the mechanics of relationships work differently for different people. As several have said previously. What works for some, doesn't work for others, and vice versa. I think that most people DO value justice and ARE looking for a simplification in their daily lives. (This is based only on my interactions with people I know).

Little peckerwoods don't have a chance!

No, just had a partner who preferred to hit Squamish, it's closer, and we were looking for lots of long cracks. Besides, you're the ultimate in climber-cool, Matt.

Plotting your doom, assclown

I have no idea what you are talking about, Erik. I was, in general, saying that you are a fucking idiot.

You learn through success AND failure, you stupid fuck. Young pups like you that think you have it all sorted out make me laugh.

Okay, so there were only two official attendees, unless you count the couple from Quebec that gave us beer and the retired gentleman who was returning home after motoring through the Yukon and Alaska since June. However, we got in 25 pitches on sweet Squamish granite cracks.

Shoes and draws are gone. C'mon, some newbie's gotta need a gear sling; it's nice. Greg

If you're offering to help, let's talk privately.

Do I look like a mule to you? It ain't dope; I'm, like, Beaver Cleaver innocent here.

I need transportation to Smith Rocks for a small package. Anyone going to the Rope Up there and willing to transport something? Let me know. Thanks Greg

Oh I somehow missed this gem in the discussion. Points to the same general issue, folks who feel the need to carry guns are scared of something, folks that don't look like them maybe? Man, must take a lot of energy being ready for the boggieman to jump out of hiding places in the city, ready to come into your house, etc. More suburban paranoia. Jim, you defend yourself and your family the way you see fit. I'll do the same with mine. No paranoia is involved. End of discussion.

According to what I've read, registration was ennacted in the 30's (? I'm going from memory). The ban was in the past 10-15 years. That's handguns. Rifles are a different story; that registration is now ongoing and costing a bundle more than originally quoted, on the order of a factor of 10, I believe. Erik, you are right, I didn't refute j_b's stats in an accurate manner.

Yes, I do so to prove my point. Government ever seeks to expand its power. Look at Canada, Great Britain, Australia. All these countries started with some innocuous "registration" scheme. This led to confiscation and banning of any ownership. Why register it unless you need to know where it's at so you can take it away? I'm out of here. PM me any questions, I'll respond when I get back.

No equivalent to Patriot Act? Well, they had to vote for it, for one. Two, the Assault Weapons Ban that they are trying to broaden on an extremely scary level (banning semi-automatic shotguns, commonly used for bird hunting, etc.) RE: mentioning stats, because I believe them and feel they support my position. I can't make you believe them, but I can cite them to support my argument; whether you accept them as valid is up to you. No, these are potential crimes as reported to police; I don't think crack deals gone bad would count. You may never be the victim of a crime, but my house may never burn down, either. Insurance, man. It is my personal belief that I want to be able to protect my family in the best way possible; I chose to do so with a gun, others may not. REgarding type of gun, this is a BS argument. At the heart is the right to protect myself in the best way I SEE FIT, not any government body.

Dude, hope you are joking! If not - seek help! WHat? nads can be tender.

It's good to know that elitist, intellectual bastions of fortitude are here on Earth to tell us all what is best for us. Otherwise, how would we exist? How arrogant are you that you think you should be able to make decisions about what others are entitled to? It's nice to see your true colors. Your premise assumes that all people are stupid except you, and therefore, need to be taken care of by some all-knowing body of superb minds. Keep that shit away from me.

Existence exists. Period. No qualifier necessary. More along the lines of Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum" (I think therefore I am). Existence without thinking (reasoning) is a lowly existence, subhuman, no better than livestock. Nietzsche, anyone? Backwards. You ARE, then you are able to think. It is called primacy of existence, Ayn Rand. You cannot think without first existing; you cannot be conscious to think without first existing. If you don't exist, how do you think?

liberals take our rights away in smaller doses. Seat belt law. helmet Law and the such... they are the 'Great Mommy State' and tell us it is for our own good. It is not the same... but over time as the # of laws add up... the effect is the same. There should realy only be three laws ummm not quite equivilant now is it? personally being in the insurance industry am i glad there are seat belt laws, helmet laws. my favorite part is denying claims to people who have been killed in auto accidents, silly things like wearing their seat belt or speeding would have saved them. but then again what does the 'mommy state' know? or when you see a 19 yr old girl now retarded from head injuries....oops no seat belt. you think making you wear your seat belt takes away from your life? hardly. i think the fed govenment being able to tap my phone, read my bank statments, read my email all seem a bit more over the top then not wearing my seat belt. It IS equivalent in that you are allowing the Government a say in how you live your life. Plain and simple.

Wow, you actually spelled some shit right. Being out of pot must be helping. Doesn't matter what crime was what. Home invasion, being attacked by black kids on the streets of Seattle (plenty of those around), whatever. Why should it matter? I should be able to defend myself however I choose. Second, the idea of stats for this side and stats for that side IS somewhat troubling. I can only cite statistics supporting my position from sources that I believe are credible. I cannot force you or others to believe their validity. We have had this discussion before. What I can say is that I believe the statistic that approximately 2 million crimes are averted per year due to citizens being armed with handguns. I cannot honestly comment on the Patriot Acts because I haven't read all the fine print. What I can comment on is what I see in the gun control lobby and the legislation that individuals like Diane Feinstein, HIllary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and others, put on the floor.

Rudy. From experience, the background check is a good one. Under current law, that means checking your criminal record. What would you like? Home visits? Interviews with co-workers? Interviews with family members? Psychological review? Where does it stop, Rudy? When you say you don't care what the Bill of Rights says, you nullify it's existence and validity. By which, you are stating that the basis for law in this country is null and void. Is that what you think? You THINK that gun ownership shouldn't be a right. So, this makes this YOUR opinion. However, just because you think something doesn't make it correct or good for everyone, or whatever. You may notice that I haven't said everyone should go buy a gun; however, you have said that I should be restricted in my ability to go buy a gun. Your whole premise is restriction and denial...if you restrict something it no longer becomes a right, but a privelege. Excessive government has already done this in large degrees to gun ownership, speech, etc. Rudy, you are far from rational. You have not used reason at all, just your emotional decision that gun ownership shouldn't be a right, despite what the documentation upon which this country is founded clearly states. Your position will lead to no gun ownership, because that is the true heart of what organizations like the Brady Campaign, Americans For Gun Safety, Million Mom March, etc., want. Greg_W

Seattle is such a nice place, with such compliant victims. You make me sick.

Existence exists. Period. No qualifier necessary.