Greg_W

Since j_b is into discussing useless international coalitions, maybe he could explain to me any benefit we receive from being a part of the North African Treaty Organization (NATO). Was this something created with Britain when we entered WWII in 1942 and sent troops to Africa? Seems pretty stupid to keep it up so many years later. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: The "huddled masses" you refer to are immigrants and why should immigrants be expected to get a free handout just for coming here? They should work just like everyone else. Why indeed? They should follow "the American Way" through hard work, and if that's not enough to get by, than they are lazy. And when the parents want something better for their kid i.e. college but they can't quite make it financially, screw them they can suffer like the miserable shits that they are. My money can be better spent on lift tickets and new skis each year. Fuk the poor. Huh...Gee...That's what my Dad did. That's what my grandfather did; and my great-grandfather before that. That's what I'm doing. As far as college goes, there are plenty of financing vehicles available for those who can't afford it. By buying skis every year (if you're ditching old AT gear let me know ) and buying lift tickets you are injecting money back into the economy and that helps everyone. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: Greg, you should put that on some company letterhead and give it to JK as a reference letter. "Do you have a resume?" "Oh, yes, and here are my letters of recommendation!" "Ah, well, I see here that you do computer-type shit. You're hired!" Hey, what the fuck do I know? I'm just a construction shlub, I don't know what he does except it has to do with computers and, well, shit.

quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by MtnGoat: And yet these same people are the ones who demand the most services. What we have is people who do not generate enough resources for themselves, demanding someone *else* work to serve them. so much for "give me your huddled masses". The "huddled masses" you refer to are immigrants and why should immigrants be expected to get a free handout just for coming here? They should work just like everyone else.

quote: Originally posted by Muffy The Wanker Sprayer: Any jobs to be had should be directed to JK we need to move Yeah, the bro needs a job up this way to support his chica's ever-burgeoning granite addiction. He does computer-type shit.

quote: Originally posted by j_b: well Greg, the first quote was by Eleanor Roosevelt, US representative and chairman of the commission on Human rights. The FDR's were also well-known and staunch Progressives (read: socialist). Take for example FDR's threat to pack the Supreme Court in order to get his unconstitutional laws passed. His threat worked and he was able to bastardize the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. He/They were definite big government nanny-staters. Not a good example to try and sway me. As far as your comments on MtnGoat's response, most of that quote that you posted violates personal freedoms and property rights of individuals, so I don't agree with it.

quote: Originally posted by j_b: quote:"it sounds like MtnGoat wants us to return to 19th century liberalism (the historical kind not the progressive type)." You are correct sir, the kind that recognizes individuals right to self determination and not as servants of others without their express consent. 8-12 y.o. working children who earn a fraction of what adults make is no doubt an expression of self determination This is a stupid response, j_b; classical liberalism has to do with much more than just child labor and you attempt to smear MtnGoat as a propponent of such is idiotic. The fact that there were obvious child labor issues in the 19th Century doesn't mean that we abandon a political school of thought contemporary to the time. If that's the best you can do, say good night. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by iain: screw the elderly. they are the economic leeches of society. why should my hard-earned money go to their bingo games? Fuckin' A!!

quote: Originally posted by j_b: who said this? "The Universal Declaration is the primary international articulation of the fundamental and inalienable rights of all members of the human family. It represents the first comprehensive agreement among nations as to the specific rights and freedoms of all human beings. The Declaration has become a cornerstone of customary international law, binding all governments to its principles" and who said this: "You're an un-American piece of shit if you buy into this whole UN declaration thing " which opinions among these 2 is most opposite to american ideals? Neither of these quotes are in line with "American Ideals". Number 1 smacks of globalism and it's implication that our duly elected representative government cede it's authority to an "international governing body" that would enforce rules (or "laws") made up by a body that was not elected by the populace it seeks to govern (us). This is exactly what the people who founded this country sought freedom from: government without representation. Number 2 is an obvious troll hehehe. Greg W

Thanks for proving my point for me, Iain.

quote: Originally posted by j_b: pointless suffering? To take the Buddhist view, is any suffering pointless? All suffering in this life will lead to rewards in the next...Watch Brad Pitt in Seven Years in Tibet, it's all clearly explained. [ 11-14-2002, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Greg W ]

quote: Originally posted by Muffy The Wanker Sprayer: but Greg... NO child should be left behind Until they can hold a job, children are irrelevant in the economic spectrum.

quote: Originally posted by iain: all in the wrist That's why DFA can't get a page top, his wrist is sore from spanking to climbing porn

quote: Originally posted by j_b: it sounds like MtnGoat wants us to return to 19th century liberalism (the historical kind not the progressive type). It sounds like you want to launch us into some sort of socialistic nanny-state where people have to be dependent upon the government to meet their needs. Many of the "rights" this declaration establishes have no basis outside of government. Is the government the body that "provides" you with rights? Not for me thanks. By the way, the classical liberalism that you appear to decry began long before the 19th century and was the basis for the founding of this country. Greg W P.S. You're an un-American piece of shit if you buy into this whole UN declaration thing

quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: As Allison pointed out some time ago, Greg is white. Yes, but I'm a "high yellow" kinda white. See:

quote: Originally posted by allison: C'mon Greg, say it....."poor people are lazy"....you know you want to, and your people are expecting it!! Allison, I'll save that for when this thread gets tired and it needs a good troll injection to kick-start it. "Your people..." I have no people, I am myself and beholden to no one except Charlton Heston, the memory of John Wayne, and the dude that brews Guinness Stout.

quote: Originally posted by iain: I'm looking forward to junior high. Is it really that bad? My big brother says that girls get boobies in the 8th grade. Cool, I can't wait.

quote: Originally posted by COL. Von Spanker: He is referring to avy danger. If by suffer tolerance you mean suffocating to death under a few tons of snow then never mind. I got that much Spanker. But part of the suffering is packing all your crap, doing the approach and then turning around when the conditions suck.

quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: You actually listen to the dialogue? I bet you have a box of kleenex and some hand lotion nearby too. DFA got busted for spankin' it to sportclimbing/bouldering porn!!

Too true, rbw. People in the higher tax brackets have investments and other vehicles to shelter income. Do away with all that (including the mortgage interest deduction) and the field gets a lot flatter.

Chuck - I am down with equality. Haven't figured out what a flat tax would do to me; I know there are websites that will figure it out. I am not completely against a sales tax (more Constitutional, IMO). I know what many will say, but I think it will force people to spend smarter. Greg W

Eiger Sanction rocks. I was totally surprised when that chic flashed Clint to get him up the rock!!! Who would you put in a re-make of Eiger Sanction? Spray on!!

Winter - I understand what you say; I've heard it before. My point comes from the belief in personal freedom and property rights. Given that, my view is that if one individual is taxed at a different rate (percentage rate is the only way to truly bring equity to those of different financial levels) is unfair. What someone can afford is immaterial (in my view) as ALL the money they earn is theirs to do with as they will. Why should the government be able to say to a wealthy entrepreneur, "you can afford to live with less so we're going to take X amount"? A great book on this is Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. Greg W

I don't know about Cavey and the others, but I won't be there. I'll be busy putting down a potentially violent rebellion of the great wapiti in Southeastern Oregon. I'd be down for this type of outing another time, though. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by j_b: West Cascades winter climbing on weekends is very, very difficult. Isn't that part of the lure? Sounds like Ryland is looking to up his suffer-tolerance. What better place to do that than the Cascades in winter?