yes. and other people are addressing these issues. climbers are the only people (aside from landowners) that control what is bolted and what isn't. saying that "well other people are doing bad shit in the area" doesn't excuse us form our own indiscretions. It seems that pope has not led into the personal attacks. these were perperated by those in opposition to him. in my short number of years, i have seen that people who resort to name calling in a discussion are either ill equiped mentally for the debate or they are on the wrong side of the fence, so which is it boys? there are issues that should be discussed when bolting starts too creep into the wilderness. i am not calling alpental the wilderness, but it is one step in the wrong direction. if you wanna flame me for this, go right ahead, but mabe you can think about what i have said and the precidence you are setting by going along with many small transgressions that are progressively encroaching on the wilderness all of us hold dear for recreation and to get away from it all.