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good thing to have when some dipshits have blasted a giant hole in your side

come on now, mtguide - this here is the internets - you can't admit a mistake here!!!

since it's being maintained by the state parks now, i assume i need my discovery pass when parking in the lot now? gonna miss crapping in the woods there...

as a history teacher i of course flinch every time i hear a "uss tonkin" type malapropism but have inevitably become inured to them and find whaling on those who utter such silly-yet-honestly-felt atrocities akin to clubbing retarded baby seals

meh, it's all counting *bzzzt!* hairs. the 1st tonkin incident was still nothing defensible as a casus belli - american warships assisting south vietnam's navy engage in hostilities on the north's territory getting shot at seems pretty defensible, from the n vietnamese perspective. even if the 2nd incident had occured it should have been lawful for n vietnam to defend itself in such a way. what did occur doesn't really count for shit. "there's no there there"

'specially if our enemies look like this! ...

which romans? war transformed rome from a relatively decent republican democracy to an autocratic and increasingly unstable empire - reckon there were winners and losers through that evolution, just like there have been in this country as we've gone through the same damn process

fuck the elephants, what this thread needs is a soundtrack! [video:youtube]

that's true, but the history of our republic since the first use of conscription in the civil war clearly shows the draft doesn't get fair until a deeply unpopular war's been going on for years and years - the vietnam war was on the wane well before the draft scheme generally got truly democratic, and even then, as the shrub showed, it could still be circumvented by the uppermost echelons who so heavily occupy the seats of government.

I agree. Totally. then why did france cling so desperately to empire? russia still? i agree w/ the both of you, btw - i'm just not optimistic it'll produce more than more cold war-style vietnams n' koreas, w/ governments just as ready if not more so to bullshit and spew propaganda for The Army as an institution, of course, they don't want pissed-off draftees, and holy shit, who would? the morale of conscription armies are usually horrible, for the very reason that wicked wars continue, and they (the draftees) have no choice but to participate in that which they couldn't prevent and still can't, despite maybe some desperately stupid action like what sgt bales just did. if i recall from a few pages back, that's what i like about joseph's scheme, as it quickly forces sweat-equity from the public

dog knows, the russians n' french n' israelis and such using the conscription scheme can't quite carry the banner for being peaceful

i like the old british model - all volunteer army but holy shit we're gonna make it so fucking shitty in this here 'society to be poor you won't have much choice if ya wanna eat

that's just 'cuz tvash got dissappeared into the internetz black bag and if you can find a one of my many jewels that ain't misspelled and/or wildly apocryphal, please let me know so i can fuck it up, eh?

certainly if you start dreaming that you're a snail and crawling along the edge of one - slithering...and surviving

[img:center]http://www.vaguebuttrue.com/images/1257635766-elephant%20attacks%20minibus.jpg[/img] they musta left their cooler in the car?

a fine warmup for st peters (the dome that is, i doubt the pearly gates are in my future if the Shaved Men are correct )

good cause - retarded title?

nice. don't climb too much too fast or you'll go and burn the joint down

if i name drop do i get a free bottle of burgundy? if'n i can score a babysitter i'll come n' bring the wife, hopefully after a rain-sodden day at the baconwand.

brilliant! 'bout sums up how it sounds to me...

shit! in america, if they make a movie about it, it's famous history and holy fuck, hollywood done made TWO films about this carbuncle on the crotch of humankind - the lincoln county war engaged the godlike acting prowess of both The Duke and martin sheen's other, less fucked-up kid

when the conversation veered off the donkey path somewhere up-thread, the point was that there are a multitude of definitions of "war" and that yes, you can construction a definition that would include ambushing people for revenge - hell, sounds just like the famous lincoln county war of 1878! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_County_War violence is violence, and at some nebuolous point in the collective conscious, enough individual acts of violence do amount to what is understood to be "war" - every christmas tree i piss on, afterall, gets filed under fox's "war on christmas"

"aren't you a little short for a storm-trooper?"

who are these eagles that you speak of?!? i wish to...talk...to them.

eyes never lie - might explain why some folks wear tea-shades at all hours