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Was that you in G-Spotter's pic? That warm and fuzzy thing?

Banter is what we do. But I would prefer to see this thread dedicated to getting stolen gear back to Redpoint Climbers Supply. Let Redpoint look at the gear and see if it looks familiar. If this is suspicious but legit then leave it alone imo.

Hugh. Get laid already. 1st avenue or something. Anything.

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Sorry. I was confused. Thanks for the update.

Wilderness actually. I don't care much for Infinite Bliss.

Whew Heoooooo! Get out yur drills boys! Ignorance is Bliss.

I tried to resist. Really I did. So you will pray to Baal for a fee? I'm not into it but FW might be.

Oh no. It takes a very articulate asshole to be a spiritual leader here. I was going to send him to you.

Now you are in spray. Tell me when you are ready to seek help.

Two points. This thread obviously is not about you and your dog. This is spray.

Anyway, I've made my point. Everything beyond this is empty spray. Carry on.

One more glass house. I've been pretty civil here until now. Isn't this why we're in spray? I'm betting that you pro-sport-routes-in-the-wilderness-types will look like total douches in the long run. Dodge all you want.

Keep it in Darrington. Long past salvaging for wilderness. Garfield is off limits for that kind of free-for-all. What do you know of respect Tvash? It sure isn't evident from your behavior on cc.com that you've earned any. Glass houses n all. Don't go all macho on me. I'll give you a little tic list in the Bitterroot if you want. You can look up the FA party's later. I'll even throw in a couple in the Tetons and Winds. You might even double your impressive tr count. Dickhead. Sheesh.

And I responded to that short sighted post. Keep up. You gave little of a response. Major impacts to the environment are like those that I described. There is a huge difference between them and bolting. Yes bolting has enough impact that it rates some discussion among differing sides, but the impact does not deserve attention like the mining I described or even the impact of ORVs in the wilderness. If we spend any time on the subject it should be to discourage overbolting, crack bolting, or creating routes out of character with a crag. Spending time and effort to preserve crags like Index is worth our time and effort. Idiotic arguements about whether bolts were placed on rap do not deserve our time. Sure saying I placed those bolts on lead is interesting information, but in the end a nice route with an appropriate amount of anchors is more important hang or no hang. Do you want my environmental resume? Put yours up. I'll bet you haven't spent more than a tiny fraction of the time I have fighting for wilderness, fighting more mining like the Butte pit, fighting for cleaning up the mess from the Butte pit and on and on. I have references. What have you done? Probably recycled and talked trash on the internet. Grow up. Do you want to see grid bolting all over Garfield? You probably do. Your (and Tvash's) non-point is a pathetic dodge of personal responsibility. Are you familiar with the concept of tacit approval? Borrow Tvash's dictionary. He isn't using it.

I was charged by a pit bull mix at the McClellan Butte TH yesterday. The owners just kind of thought it was cute. My defensive reaction would have been very different if it would have bitten me. But they went on their merry way oblivious to having screwed up my happy little nirvana trip. Assholes.

And I responded to that short sighted post. Keep up.

IB is pretty much exclusively bolt protected. It deserves the description of being bolted "willy-nilly" imo. I feel that some bolting in a wilderness area is passible practice when the route utilizes clean protection for the vast majority of the climbing. It was not a-typical in the Bitterroot for a 5 pitch climb to have one or two bolts or pins. Some routes there had as many as one or two bolts or pins per pitch (very rare). Some were run out and scarey. The point is that the clean style was utilized where ever possible. If a proposed route inside the wilderness became primarily dependent on bolts as protection, it became a controversy. I do not know of any sport routes that were installed inside the Bitterroot wilderness. I do know people who would trot right up there and remove them. Lower Blodgett, and Mill creek were areas that became bolting areas. Most of these were put in by hand and none of them were inside the wilderness boundary. IB was a mistake (FA party was not aware they were inside the wilderness) and I am not a proponent of removing it unless it becomes a precedent for wilderness bolting. The damage is done. My interest is to keep the discussion well known enough that it is not mistaken for an acceptable standard.

How about if they come out against IB? Can we diss em then? Huh? Can we?

The feeble minded have melded now and are venting everything they don't know and don't understand about wilderness, ethics, and history. The Forest Service is the primary tool used against wilderness (recreation divisions not usually included). Once a road is bulldozed, the area is removed from wilderness consideration. Gosh, you don't think GW would have abused that do you? Naw. And his father declared himself "The Environmental President". So if it ain't as bad as the Butte pit go ahead n fuck it up. Yup. Shit on it till nobody thinks its OK. An don't phuckin talk about it until then. Good logic. Seems like I hear this from rednecks in Montana too. Until the same degradation is foisted off onto their land.

Wait a minute. Are you guys really there?

Once again CC.com moderators and posters have demonstrated a short sighted, selfish stance on a topic that will probably define this era to following generations of climbers.

Kids these days. Nice TR! Thanks for posting. I was ambling up the other side same time.

Or if you want it to keep going, keep posting.

Lame. If you want to leave it alone, leave it alone.