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You're getting me a saw for Crimbo? Thanks CBS....I was hoping for the new BD cams....doh! So ru teach me how to saw off my arm in the true tradition of 'mounty survival tradition'? sicko! There's a flick called 'Saw' in the theatres now which will show all you need to know about sawing off your own limbs.

Anthony the Brothers is really a better early season ascent, when the previous winter's snow is stil there and consolidated. When that melts you have a lot of shifting choss. Now you might have shifting choss with a light layer of loose snow on top; even worse.

Bunch of stuff up there, though I just want to get up there to gape and see how my feet are doin. I've climbed a bunch of things up there though I'm not sure this is the best time of year for it.

Crack pup...The Eigers are still available as are the Trangos.

I kinda want to wander up into glacier basin up by Monte Cristo Peak if the weather isn't too foul.

The mythos are sold. The Eigers are still available ($100.) and are really excellent boots with rigid soles for ice climbing but, having rocker soles, are quite fine for walking in too. And for just another $70 bucks There's a fine pair of grivel G-12 step-in crampons, what a deal.

<irony> You must be a religious fanatical nut from a red state! </irony> So are you suggesting that having a 'religious sense' puts you in Bush's camp. Bush did a skillful job of exploiting the religous sensibilities of a large sector of our society. But that does not give him a monopoly on being moral or religous. I missed the irony.

The Asolos sold but the other boots and rock shoes are still available. And they are really in quite good condition.

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fukin'eh

Don't worry about losing something while your injury runs its course. Climbing gets into your blood. If you lose it waiting for your hand to heal, it wasn,t there to start with. I injured both my feet well over a year ago and I still have'nt climbed anything since. Some things just take time. There are alpine climbs I'd like to do, Both place I haven't yet been and places I have been to. But just hiking up and down Mailbox Peak did a number on me last weekend. So I'm not there yet. But it's not like I've lost it.

The inner boot is an integral part of the boot. Without them you would just be walking in the plastic shell. You need to have them together. People do take the inner boot out sometimes and put them in the sleeping bag over night to dry them out. If you want to try them on first, like I said, I live on Capital Hill in Seattle. And I work on Airport Way a bit north of the Tullys (old Rainier Brewery). We can make arrangements via private messages.

The Asolos are rigid plastic boots with an inner boot; definitely ice-friendly. The Eigers are leather boots with a very rigid sole. I've worn them up rainier a few times, but never done any technical ice in them. But they are suitible for Ice climbing. The asolos would be better for winter climbing. And although the eigers have rigid soles, they are a better boot for walking in than the asolos.

Re: Chirp "Very cool in a way, I think Ed would have mixed feelings but overall would be happy. I wonder if the music temple will be accessable again? If anyone is interested, the book ON THE LOOSE by Jerry and Renny Russel is a great period book(1960's) about two youth growing up in the Southwest. Alot of the emphasis is directed to the loss of Glen Canyon. I REALLY love this book." Thanks for the rcomendation. I found a 1st edition in F/NF condition on Abebooks.com

The boots are for sale because they no longer fit my feet since an injury I had a couple summers back. They've been used very little since july '03. The trangos are the green colored trangos that have been replaced by the red colored Trango S. They are a few years old but still have a lot of wear to them. The Eigers are newer and in extremely good condition. I bought the Asolos off of Phil Dickert. Although He did a lot of climbing, These look like they haven't had a whole lot of use. There a few noticable crampon nicks, but other then that, they are like new. I didn't get a chance to use them before my foot size changed.

correct on the size; they were quite roomy for my feet before I injured them. I was then wearing size ten plus. I have no digital camera for visual documentation.

A well used pair of the green Sportiva Trango boots with still a lot of life in them: euro size 44 1/2, $40. Sportiva Eiger(sold), used but still in very good condition with lot's of wear left in them: size 44, $100. (Asolo AFS 101 are sold). I'm in Seattle Capital Hill area if you want to check em out. ps An old size ten pair of Montrail leather climbing boots: ten bucks. pss A pair of Sportiva Mythos: size 42 1/2, $40.(sold) psss Grivel G-12 step-in crampons: $70.

Happy B-day bDubyaH!!!

Yet more pure eloquence from Mr.Lepeska

*Monday, October 18, 2004* *T-Shirt, or not T-Shirt?* So, it appears that a Bush campaign volunteer got a little too paranoid about some attendees http://www.oregonlive.com/campaigncentral/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/ news/1097928233288440.xml> at the president's rally in Central Point on Thursday night. The attendees in question, three women who obtained tickets to the event after claiming they were undecided voters, wore T-shirts that said, "Protect Our Civil Liberties". The overzealous campaign volunteer stopped one of the women and pointed to her shirt, saying it was "obscene". The women were subsequently ejected from the rally by state police officers. Hmmm... so the protection of civil liberties is obscene now? The county Republican Chairman is quoted in this article as saying, "I wish (the women) would have just dressed in a way that was without that kind of intent to incite any kind of incident."

I'd like the #1 forged friend; what are you asking for this?

getting over

My first unplanned bivy was during a january descent from Muir, in which we were caught in a white-out and a bit off route. So we hunkered down for the night in a snow cave. But we had all our overnight gear so it wasn't that bad. My first unplanned bivy with only a day-pack was on a descent of Mt. Garfield main peak. We got off route and funneled into a ravine which Becky describes as the Lower West-side approach. Long story short, we came to some cliffs as it was getting dark, around 10:30 pm. So we backed up into the trees and got next to a big fallen tree trunk. I had an old Chouinard vapor barrier in my pack that I used for a bivy bag. There was some drizzle during the night but I stayed dry. In the morning we re-examined the situation. Just had to retrace our way back up a bit, step across a stream, then followed a steep wooded hillside that avoided the cliffs.

My buddy and I had just reached the summit of Mt. Index, North Peak as the sun dipped behind the Olympics. So we spent the night right there. Had actually planned to bivy somewhere along the way, so we had enough with us to actully enjoy the the experience. Luckily it was a warm summer evening.

The following is posted in the Northcascades forum: You can get into the area, but it takes a little longer this year. Here's some beta from a recent trail report (posted on WTA): Aug 11, 2004 by Jim Miller Lake Byrne #744,North Fork Sauk River #649,Lost Creek Ridge #646,Pacific Crest (Glacier Peak) #2000,White Chuck River #643.1 - The Glacier Peak Area We left Seattle on Friday August 6 and drove thru the rain and arrived at the Lost Creek trailhead ahead of the rain. We moved one car to the Sloan Creek trailhead and before we could get back the rain caught us and lasted almost steady for 18 hours or so. The we on this trip were Dona Snow-Miller, Rose Alfred, Sarah Fansler, Ray Delger and myself. We threw things together and headed up to the top of Lost Creek Ridge. We inspected the WTA work up near Bingley gap and report it looks good. At some point in here I had a conversation with a guy and his two sons who were headed to Lake Byrne. He asked us where we were headed and I told him we were doing the loop and he asked me if I had seen the sign about the bridges out and washouts and such. I told him we had not seen it but I knew Kennedy Hot Springs was washed out and several bridges on the Suiattle but it shouldn't be a problem. He kind of shook his head and went away. That night we camped about 1/3 mile beyond the Round Lake cut off at a nice spot just off the trail on the low side. There was ground water running through the site but enough high spots for tents. We did luck out with 30 dry minutes to throw up our tents and get dinner heated up. In the morning we had about one inch of water in our bowls which had been left out the night before. On Saturday we moved on to Camp Lake. Rose suggested that this part of the "trail' was harder than the up part the day before. It certainly is no walk in the park! The weather was better but we had to imagine the views. Saturday night was dry and we awoke to great weather and we spent a lot of time on the ridge you cross to get to Lake Byrne checking out ALL the views. After spending more time at Lake Byrne we headed down to Kennedy. The upper mile or so of this trail is pretty rough with gradual improvement in tread condition as you decend. Kennedy, the former Hotsprings, is as washed out as all the pictures show. There is camping on the Byrne Lake side of the White Chuck in the trees and the toilet is still there. There is some sulfur smelling water flowing next to the river. We found a log to walk just above where Kennedy Creek enters the White Chuck. At the end of the log we had a short wade off a small island. We found the spring that the cabin used to be near (the pipe is gone). The toilet is still up the hill and there is a camping sign in a tree pointed to the gravel piles. We found the trail that goes south to the PCT and headed up. Soon we came to a new trail with no signs. We went with the new. Soon it merged with the old and soon enough it split again. We went with the new. The new trail goes more east than the old and we eventually ended up at the PCT where the new trail was marked as CLOSED! We headed south on the PCT and soon (1/4 mi.) came to a VERY washed out trail at Sitkum Creek. It took awhile to figure out that trail actually crossed here as it was easy to walk downstream along this mess. We found some logs to cross on. There are lots of logs but its a jungle. Boulder hopping might work. Immediately after crossing you are at the start of the Sitkum climbers route to Glacier Peak. Heading south again we ended up at Baekos Creek where the next big washout is. We camped here before crossing. Baekos was easy to cross on logs and once we found the trail on the south side (its more upstream than on the north side). I need to add here that each of these washout areas are badly undercut in places and care should be used in approaching. So off we go along a trail that has on it a fair amount of limbs and winter debris and a few logs here and there and I'm starting to think about the next place that could be washed out. Its not long and bingo the bridge over the White Chuck appears and its a wreck and the trail crosses over an area of water falls. I looked upstream and Dona and Sarah looked downstream. There is nothing easy up. The place Dona found is below the falls and its fairly easy to climb down the rock slide to the river. There are traces of an older trail near the river. We crossed on a couple of logs, walked up through the trees and gained the trail. The switch backs up the hill are in need of help both in logging and getting a creek to go back under a bridge. The lower Glacier meadows were great and we hiked on up to a place Dona and I had camped about 20 years ago near the cinder cone. And you know what, someone was there! They were the first folks since Camp Lake. We moved away a bit and had a geat evening. On Tuesday we hiked up over Red Pass to the junction with the North Fork of the Sauk trail. The PCT from Red Pass south could use some help as it is loosing its tread. At this junction we finally read an information sign about the area we had just passed through! Just think we may have missed all the fun if it hadn't been raining at the start (like we might have read the sign). On the hill down to the valley floor there is some water, two places in fact way up in the meadows. It was hot. Ray suggested the only thing missing was the devil himself! We camped Tuesday night at Red Creek. A great place to clean up and cool down. Hiking out the last bit we met the first person we had crossed paths with on the trail since Bingley Gap. And you know what, it was George Winters, the ranger out of Darrington whom some of us know. We saw 7 people, hiked about 30 miles and it something like 10 or 11000 feet of elevation change or whatever. Pretty much there was plenty of water. Bugs were low to non-existant and we had a great time. Warning flags: Bridge out, Clogged drainage, Trail wash-out, Trail over-grown