allison

I've been awake for all of these lengths of time for my work, 20+ a bunch of times, and at about 20 I hit a wall, and then about 25 hours I think I'm genius, but it is a kind of delusional genius. In my work we have to make decisions about safety all of the time. Really bad idea. Don't go there.

I will say that the OP folks have an excellent PR and legal staff, and that even given their helpful information, that I will never, ever buy their gear.

Will, for what it's worth, I've been a union member for most of my adult life, and have worked as a contract negotiator and a rep for my union at times over the years. Don't for a minute assume I don't know what I am talking about on this subject. On the other hand, I am surprised at what a shitstorm this has become. The only reason I broght up the whole prison labor thing in the first place is that it's nice to know these things when making informed choices as consumers. All I am doing by not buying OP products is exercising my rights as a consumer. I choose not to buy goods made by prisoners. I am not going to try and convert people to my way of thinking on this.

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This pair is actually getting ready to go to 2nd Ascent. I have downsized to something lighter. Dru's oven method worked like a charm. It was about 20 mins at 150, sno seal is all soaked in, with just the dirt standing on the surface.

It's not the girth hitch that is so concerning here, it's what you are girth hitching to that's problematic. I would girth-hitch to a 'biner, around a tree, but not through a wire. Yup, cuts like a knife. I like Dru's test.

Ok, I did something dumb to my boots, and now I need your help. I scrubbed my mountaineering boots with a brush and some Lexol leather cleaner, and then when they were dry, I snowsealed them. Now I see that I didn't get them clean enough, the snowseal's kind of gross and dirty. Any ideas as to how to strip off this muck and start over? D'oh!

I know it's bolts, and I know it's 10a, but 'Pheonix' is the best, best route I've ever done in the park. Really fun high quality stuff. There are other good climbs on the Phoenix Buttress too.

Hi, I could go on and on about this, but I'm not going to. Here's what I will say: I try to buy goods that are made in places (not necessarily the USA) where workers are treated fairly. I can't say that I make 100% on this, but I do OK. My choice not to buy products made by Omega Pacific can be boiled down to one simple fact, for the sake of this discussion. The prison workers do not have the right to organize for the purpose of collective bargaining. In my mind, the discussion can stop right there, as the lack of right to such is for me a deal-breaker.

Yippeee! Who's my buddy! Erik is!!!!

Uh, it has less to do with "prisoners making stuff" and more to do with "not being made by people working under acceptable labor standards."

The fact that you are here, right now, shows that you have a belly full of beer!!

They used to be made with prison labor, not sure if they are anymore, but I don't like that and consequently have not bought any. They also had a recall a few years back for defective 'biners....

I'm not sure that I said I "never" check the Spray page, I just don't get over here very often, as I find it kind of.....well, it just doesn't interest me that much. Hey, kwit talking about me behind my back!! Yes, I was looking at the 'Avatars for sale' thread but I got bored before I finished it.

Nice! Hope it comes together smoothly. Post something after you're done or PM me. Oh, and weigh it, I'm cusrious about that too! People really pay $565 for a fancy tarp? That is CRAZY! [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: allison ]

I've thought about sewing one of these up myself. Curious to know if sewing the "point" of the 'mid gives you any trouble or not. Are you going to flat-fell or French the seams? How many yards is it going to take? Did you find a pattern or are you going to have to make that too? Is the time/materials worth the saved $$? Maybe don't answer that one until the project is done.

Beacon Rock? Wherezzat?

When this thread first appeared I got in touch with my buddy who lives in Bend, and he said this plant deal was already dead....anyone else hear that too?

Alpine K, Of course I am. Do not forget to kiss my shoes tomorrow night, if I deign to show up....

I rented a cabin in the ONF for tonight, planned to go out and spend some private time with the Muse (no spray on this pleeze), do some pastel drawings in the midst of the tranquil beauty of the dripping moss and CCC rustic loveliness that inhabits the Hamma Hamma drainage, but outside of Belfair ran into the nastiest slippery-ass shit for an excuse for snow, got the Soobaroo sliding all over the road like I was on marbles, at one point got so much sticky nasty goopy snow in the wheel wells I had to get out and clean them, spent more time in the car not doing anything except getting frustrated.....and to top it all off I am home now, couldn't get into the cabin, too much muck, slppyslideyshittttt and I'm sure the Muse is on the porch of the cabin, slurping a bottle of bourbon and dragging on a Gitanes, and laughing her ass off because her pal Mother Nature decided it wasn't my day.

Hey, if that thing over in Issy had been "just an informal bunch of climbers" as you suggest, then there wouldn't have been fur flying from here to Beacon Hill over "the Rotation", and mattp wouldn't have had to pull out the Rulebook. Don't be speaking lightly about the Pub Club, or you'll be the next Spraymate of the Month.

Uh, actaully that was last week, it was on Phinney Ridge, and it was Icegirl who suggested it, not me. You really shouldn't sniff so much glue, not only does it seem to be damaging your memory, but you'll also ruin your skin!

Thanks a lot, CZ, but as you see here, well I can't seem to take that advice to heart. NEXT AUTOSIG! Oh since we're talking about it, I would be remiss to not express my shopping delight in the other purchase I made yesterday: Merrell GTs, retail $200, my price $36. Like most of us I find buying shoes of the non-decorative variety to be a costly and tedious process. These babes fit like a glove, for a fraction of the price of a full-priced glove. It's a lot of fun to get a new sleeping bag or something spiffy like that, but there is huge relief in replacing dead footwear, and despite everything else, the REI G-sale still is THE SPOT to get something great for your feet at a really good price. 99% of the time I hate REI, but when it comes to the Garage Sale, and particularly shoes, well, another human's folly is my reward. [ 03-18-2002: Message edited by: allison ]

Toxic (Smith Rock)Phoenix (")Superslab(") Ridin' Sidesaddle (Frenchmen Coulee) Anything at Big Bend Boulders--let me say that I'm not a big fan of bouldering but...these...rocks...well, yum! (Outside of Moab, UT) Anything at Royal Columns (shh!! secret area...must...not..blab) Friction Face, Panty Waist (Red Rocks) And of course anything, anything at all at that fab-o secret area near Ashford that everyone's (not) talking about! Best rock ever!! Just to add one mediocre sport climber's perspective. Nomex securely in place. Favorite training spot: the big I-beam that hangs way downstage right under the Short Floor in the Opera House, the one that I can just get my fingers flat on from a flatfoot position to do pullups on, it's...juuuust perfect for working those abs a bit on a coffee break or in between cues.....hey, waitaminute, they are tearing down the Opera House never mind. See you at the gym.