IceIceBaby

Well the truth is somewhere between …in order to make the boots light they resorted to a “trick” materials which are lighter but don’t have the same ability to mold and durability and flex of leather so they came with a combination of the two = A LOT more seams to bond the various patches of materials Now every cobbler will tell u this elementary rule “if u looking for the most durability and waterproofness then go with one piece leather boot with the MINIMUM amount of seams” Less is ALWAYS more in mechanics of gear if looking for durability But leather is heavy and if using the standard Nappa leather (it is all Nappa leather, just different treatment to the leather hence the proprietary names) in standard 3mm width with good Vibram sole it will be in the upper 5lb lower 6lb with no fancy hardware Now if u will have some better R&D and better craftsmanship and design u might be able to reduce the weight a bit but there will be always a tradeoff for durability

Hi Colin, The Scarpa freny is not full on ice climbing/ mountaineering (well not in the same category as the one pictured) but anyway, I don’t know if u used bee wax or alike to waterproof them…that will reduce the life span of the boots significantly (b/c they all the same they will and do rot the threads and weakening the seams…the only way to waterproof boots in my experience is with silicon spry and my favorite is Tectron…as for the method I have posted that previously so you can do the search) Also try to take care of your boots by cleaning them after each trip with dampen cloth saddle soap will help every so often (try to avoid the seams anytime u apply any soap or cleaning/conditioning treatments) air dry the boots AWAY from heat source If u do this I will say u should expect AT LEAST 5 years of your boots. My own experience is with Nepal Top (regular), which I own for over 7 years and use constantly in the winters and the boots are STILL in superb condition

I climbed with the Kayland Super Ice and I was very happy although the approach wasn’t that comfortable and I have the opportunity to climb with Scarpa Cumbre which were great climbers but my fat foot were suffering in them for some odd reason the Vasque fit me well but I never had the chance to try the 9000 series but from what I could tell they are very much like the Kayland Super Ice which I really liked…now if only they were comfortable for walking They all warm to modeate temp (~0) and they all great boots go with what fit…and less is more in term of stitching as far as durability concern However I hardly can see any of the above boots thrashing in less then 5 years of abuse Other words u can expect AT LEAST 5 years of service from any of the boots u looking at BTW take the pair u trying and weight them in the store scale if looking for light boots then in man sizes (43-44) it should be around 5lb ~ 6oz

Very good boots (if they fit) I would have gotten them but they don’t fit me…honestly in today’s market it is hard to make a mistake buying gear…there are so many excellent products out there so comparing them is like splitting hair

call it as u like ...still the best device I ever uesed

I rate myself as a second rate bar-stool climber with eye for good protection from those who start to look good after the second shot and I fall only the morning after 12 hour push thorough the night

just stop this foolishness and go with the modify GriGri like he (or me) said it is the shizzle for solo lead

It was my first day back at work in Jersey city after a vacation in BC as I’m getting out of the PATH train stop in the financial district at 9:05 I saw everyone looking at WTC I looked back and there were flames and black smoke I ask WTF they said someone with a small plain had an accident and smashed right in to it I said poor bustard have to take an eye exam after release from jail and went to watch the towers as I’m watch I saw a second object coming close to the building and a second later a ball of fire and I’m saying to myself WTF is wrong with pp today so I’m getting my latte and sitting on the border walk across the river looking at the towers drinking my coffee and watching the events like a wide screen TV my phone rings ….do u see all of that????….Yeah…some morons…who gives them flying license anyway… No dude, it was deliberate…it is an attack… WHAT???…WHO??? And as IM looking thorough the corner of my eye the I saw the first tower starting to collapse Man….the Fucking tower going down…WTF I think I got to get out of here…. I got to call work to tell them I cant come today….shit…WTF

Climbing is highly social activity and I like my partner to be that way Like: Humor, Trivial knowledge, outgoing, humble Dislike: no humor, jerk, overly macho and overly feminist (= insecure)

it is about 6lb which is average for plastic boots and they do climb ice like a dream I wont hike more then 8 hours in them they are too stiff...but if in the cold and u need to do something technical then they are great BTW, I also heard that they are decent alpine ski boots

on almost everything The Trango extreme do me well…but if u looking for a real worm and watertight boots and willing to lose a LITTLE technical ability try the LOWA Civetta extreme is the ticket to date I dont know any better warm, agile and low profile (almost like leather) boots Even the Alfa don’t come close

Ice Ice BABY!!!! nid te gitme soma dat

22" u mean I got my own zip code

well...I have 22" screw ...

Opps, I meant centimeters

What working for me so far was the Trango lightweight II and WC bigwire on Blue water 24” sling about 6 of these and 4 screamers with the same biners and 3 Blue water 48” with Positron locking each or substitute 2 for the nifty stiff Yeats rabbit ears and a cordelett with Petzl William For Ice I use Grivel 360 screws 2- 12cm, 5- 17cm, 1- 22cm, 1- BD express 13cm and 1- BD express 10cm The preferred rock rack for me is WC rocks #2-#7 (5) and Camelot #0.5 to #3 (5) but if I will do it again I will do DMM #1 to #3.5 (6) also 2 baby angle (1, 2) also #1, #2, #4 LA and 2 knife blade thin and medium that’s will cover anything you going to see

Trango/Mammut lightweight II - $5 at PMS 36g, 24kn, opening 27mm(1.1”)

Yeah man, the climb was Candy beautiful just awesome However, my BIG FAT SLOW ASS slow JJA quite a bit (u a fricking animal JJA) But we made it…thanx JJ for putting up with my untrained east coast me.

u gota do whad ya gad to do agreed ...but it always good to know how to do it better

Only the facts no need to “discuss”

BTW the “Boot & Shoe Protector” AKA "Extreme Sport Shoe Guard"

I have the Trango Extreme S Well it is a two stages job One Get one of those handy applicators syringe thingy and start sealing all the seams with seamgrip pay attention for the welt and the hill seams allow to dry for 2 days repeat if needed Two Get Tectron spray (the “Boot & Shoe Protector” is the best on the market…don’t let anyone tell u different) and spray a coat about 12” from the boot in sweeping motion (just like the painters in auto body shop) and allow to dry for 12 hours repeat and allow another 12 hours All you will need from now on is re-spray the boots every season or so

it have all of that When I borrow my friend half bag (it was a chest high on me) couple with my Arc’teryx belay parka (forgot the name) inside the bivi sack kept me very comfy at 20 degrees NE late fall/early winter windy night

If anything it is a matter of fabric durability and girth the fabric is very thin so it “leak” down (but it is extremely light). the Girth is OK (64”) but what I will look after is the fill personally I will ask for over fill (2-4 oz) to take it down to 15-10 area for a total weight of 1,11oz or 1, 13 oz If it was up to me I will get the Vireo from FF I always carry a warm jackets, clothing, and hat on to the mountains so why not using them as part of your sleeping sys BTW I have the WM Apache and I love this thing but this is a full 3 seasons sleeping bag at 2 lb and durable fabric I find it when u go down to 30 dgrees u don’t need the hood but below +20 you will want it

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