G-spotter

Better is correcter. Cheating is wrongest.

I guess everything looks the same when your head is up your ass like that!

In the two cases I mention, the first example in each case involved cheating, the climbers admitted it, and the ascents were properly made later using correct style.

Let's not forget that when Boone Speed climbed Ice Cream with the first 4 bolts preclipped, he didn't claim a redpoint, only a yo-yo. It was Steven Jeffrey (I think?) who got the first redpoint and so technically the first free ascent. Ditto when Klem Loskot put up Vakuumgeist (9a) with the first 5 bolts of a 6-bolt route preclipped, he was criticized so heavily for it that he later removed those bolts, relocated them to better clipping stances, and reled the route clipping all the bolts (and renamed it Vakuumgeist 2000).

Hey Rudy, why do you get less points on 8a.nu for "freepointing" (preclipped bolts) if it's equally difficult then?

BEANIES: Wool or fleece?

well Bill, since we know that "the best climbing in Oregon is in Washington", it follows that the best climbing in Washington is in BC.

Pinkpointing is still cheating. Accepted, yes, cheating, yes also. Jason Kehl did properly climb The Fly after cheating his way up it first. And so far he's the only one.

Just take them to Vantage, it's the most popular so it must be the best.

Just below my waist.... I can point out several 25 to 30 foot high boulders at Squamish that have had top anchors chopped within days of TR bolts appearing.

It's 3.5 hours from Chilliwack to Skaha and 1 hour from bellingham to Chilliwack. You mean Sumas not Camas. and the fastest route to Skaha is the one having the most fun.

You can also just write something for the AAJ and get a free AAJ, ANAM, club membership, and all sorts of junk mail in your mailbox! LATEST NEWS FROM MINNESOTA SECTION! Our intrepid Midwest section climbed in the gym with oxygen masks on as part of their training for Rainier, America's most difficult mountain!

Is it any wonder, when the old folks in the organizations do everything possible to make the organizations boring and irrelevant?

When you cheat at climbing, you cheat no one but yourself, but you still cheated. If there is only one bolt on a 50 meter long route, placed 2m below the anchor, and you pre-clip it, did you still lead the route? No, you top roped it. Same thing if the bolt is only 2m off the ground. Preclipping is toproping. And claiming a lead for a route you toprope in whole or part, is cheating. Hence we call a cheater stick a cheater stick whether it is used for aid climbing or not.

Hey if you "don't want to take a risk" why don't you stick to flower arranging and lawn bowling.

Rex Cox Menswear in Mission. hey must specialize in high-crotched pants.

Getting a toprope through the opening moves = cheating.

does it change FUçK, FU©K, or FU¢K?

Bolts and boulder problems cannot coexist. And whoever said "clipstick" nice try but it's called a CHEATER STICK. Calling it a "clipstick" is like calling your period "A visit from Auntie".

not enough devils' club?

You should have tested some brand new ones at the same time for comparison purposes....

Actually there is a part of the Climbing Course called the Mentor Program, "Can anyone help me, I'm looking for a Mentor!!"

and the link crams

Yeah, that Clawhammer's some fine rawk n roll! They covered a whole Devo album once