Figger_Eight

I would guess Sphinxter is responsible for getting 2/3 of all posts moved to Spray

Snicker...

In what way are the Medicine Man anchors bad? If they're still solid, and not suspect - wouldn't replacing them and moving them to a new location be more unsightly? You can clip them from a solid stance, so I guess what I'm asking is what constitutes a bad anchor if it is in good condition?

Is he held to a higher standard than anyone else on this board? Or is it the content of the discussion that governs how people should behave? It seems to me that all topics here are fair game for any sort of "debating style", EXCEPT for bolting. On any other topic it's okay to fling the shit without restraint, but is this topic CC.Com's golden cow? As soon as the "bolting" topic comes up, staunch ethicists have to play nicey-nice while everyone else gets to tell them to pretty much "shut the fuck up" and "stick it up their ass"? Can he be abrasive? Absolutely, but no more so (and much less than) many of the other regulars. I have not once heard him make reference to anyone's mother, wife or girlfriend, tell anyone to "fuck off and die", nor has he physically threatened anyone. If you apply the same standards to the rest of these characters as you do to Dwayner, there wouldn't be a whole lot of people left here - and it would be a much more boring place. My dos centavos.

Thanks Lucky. I was the guy with the red truck who talked to you in the parking lot. Those f-er's need to be taken down. I'll file my report tomorrow.

We all put our pants on one leg at a time. I respect those who are more accomplished than me, I honor those who taught me but I don't believe anyone is better than me. My $.02

I put "band geek" in a google search

Ban-deras

Any Selma Hayak money shots?

Tali-ban

ban-d geek

Ban roll-on

1) the Grand 2) Gib Ledges in winter 3) aid climb a2 4) the tooth in a day.

Where's that Dru?

What a cool place to see the movie Are your dates correct?

Yes...arbitrary knee jerk decisions are absurd. Closing established climbing areas is absurd. I think barring a low impact user group from any public land in the name of preservation is suspect, especially if an opposing lobby seems to have the land manager's favor (there are still trails where horses can stomp and shit all they want, but mountain bikes are banned). The problem is climbers are not as low impact as they once were.

C'mon Jon...that's not what I'm saying - I didn't mention bolts and you've seen a lot of white shit like that on rocks that was chalk. I don't think closing down areas is the answer, nor do I deny that I clip bolts. However, I do see a disturbing trend where climbers, as a community, feel "no/low-impact" doesn't apply to them. That's all. Is it beer-thirty yet?

If it's the same stuff as what's down in the Lower Gorge, it seems for a long time now. Do I agree with the closure...dunno - I haven't been down there. Can I understand their argument? Absolutely. Chalked up climbing areas are an eyesore - the boulders in Leavenworth are one example. At least in those areas the chalk has a chance of being washed away with rain. I still take issue with your notion that climbers must stand next to a fat beer bellied snowmobiler fighting for his right to highpoint any slope he wants to

It sounds like they did by gating off the cave.

They don't have that right, and neither do we. Do we have as much impact as on the environment as motor powered sports? No...not really. However if I have been going to those caves and one day see it defaced by chalk...I would be pissed about it just as if someone tagged it with spray paint. I'm not saying shut down all climbing areas, however I don't buy into that sense of entitlement that says we can bolt and climb wherever we want. This is a debate that isn't exclusive to climbing. There are still trails where horses can go and mountains bikes can't, etc. etc.