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Once again, sense, we arrive at the Universe's sole, inviolable Truth: I'm right and therefore you must be wrong. See? No rambling. I wish I could have a martini, but my new ice climbing religion forbids it. "thou shalt work thine vicegripper device until exhaustion, which no other gripping action shall intrude upon." use a straw. Call me Sensei though, and as such, i must tell you your attempts at deductive reasoning parallel those of the esteemed seahawks (since we know that I am right, and you are again wrong, as always).

The discussion on this thread has been focused on, as I interpret, Christianity v/s atheism, and also on evolution v/s creationism/ID as proposed by folks in the US or West. I won't be too off if I call it creationism/ID as proposed by Christians. At the same time, it might be interesting to note that there are other schools of philosophy, especially from the East, whose ideas of design might be way different from what we have been discussing (i.e., from the Bible), and might even have parallels to evolution! I'll throw out an interesting example, from Hinduism. I must admit beforehand, though, that I'm only familiar with a minute fraction of what is a humungous body of philosophy, which is Hinduism. I'm not shoving anything down your throat here, nor am I pointing a (or the) way. As part of my work, I do research in computational biology (DNA, protein structure, mutations, evolutionary trees etc.). All I want to say is that there are some really interesting streams of philosophy when it comes to creationism v/s evolution. Spray on bitches . Unlike most other religions, Hinduism does not have a single prophet/messiah or a single book of revelation. There are several sages and several books of revelation which have contributed to the majestic river of Hinduism. And there are numerous gods that are worshipped. Hinduism considers each individual as unique, and hence does not prescribe a common path to everybody, it rather encourages each individual to explore a path which is the most suitable to him/her. Still, there are three broad categories of human nature, and three corresponding paths for upliftment - based on (as interpreted in layman terms) devotion, intellect, and work/activity. According to Hinduism, individuals who fall in the last two categories (intellect and activity) may even appear atheistic. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (JCI religions) on the other hand, prescribe only the first option of devotion, and hence people who fall under the other two categories are not welcomed. One of the most quoted principles of Hinduism (as given in the book Bhagavat Gita) is "do your duty, do not think about the rewards". There is absolutely no implication in this principle that you must believe in God! The JCI religions all say that individuals go either to heaven or hell once they die. Hinduism, on the other hand, considers that each individual is in a process of evolution which is akin to Darwinian evolution. However, according to this view, beings evolve and adopt a body according to their past actions, and which is suitable for fulfilling their desires. Admittedly, human body is suitable for the most evolved beings, and here onwards, with no further evolution of body form, one has to make a conscious effort for further evolution and take the final jump to perfection. When one becomes qualified for the last stage, it is the 'cosmic' which descends onto the individual and this completely transforms him/her. Kabir (a famous 15th century poet) describes it as "getting in of the sea in a droplet". Till then beings have to undergo the repeated cycle of birth and death. Hindus' simile of the relation between creator and creation is that between a dancer and the dance and not that between a sculptor and his sculpture, as is done in JCI religions. This is to emphasize that the creator is embedded in its creation and is not separate somewhere. Unlike the declaration of an individual to be the 'only' son of God, Hinduism calls all human beings, and in fact, all living beings, as 'the children of Immortality'. On the other hand, perhaps the most celebrated philosophy coming from Hindiusm is that of 'Advaidta', which translates to "not two". It is interesting to note that this idea, in various forms, can be found in the philosophy of most other religions, including JCI. At the same time, Hinduism is one of the oldest religions. The gist is that "only God is truth and the concept of world is a false mental projection". Equivalently, "there is no heaven or hell or liberation, nothing but the Self in this expanded cosmic consciousness"! . Naturally, to many people Hinduism does not appear to be coherent and homogeneous. In the face of 'Advaitha', what is the deal with the numerous Gods worshipped by Hindus? Well, one explanation is that the concept of Advaita is so profound and deep, that its beyond the reach and comprehension of most common people. Hence, they created separate Gods for each function, such as wealth, stength, knowledge, war, art, etc. People worship the appropriate God, according to their choice or profession. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think an aspect of hindu cosmology shows the universe expanding and then collapsing upon itself over and over and over again (akin to the big bang (if we find the missing matter!)).

i think keeping the original post in its designated thread without spray was correct, as was throwing the predictable mutation into spray (he doesn't have to acknowledge the mutation, which would actually dovetail nicely with his fundie beliefs). So online it's OK to talk about some one behind their back? Or anywhere? ummm, bug? hello? it would be his choice. he needn't expose himself to the heretics to chekc on his original posts. btw, i was offline for a minute, so i think you were talking behind my back.

Well, here's where your germane argument becomes extinct. VH and his brand of Biblical literalists DON'T believe in a compassionate or caring God. Their God fucks over all of humanity over all time because the the mistake of one couple, sends perfectly good humans to the firey lake because of one little sin, and doesn't give two shits about how you treat other people as long as you kiss His all powerful ass, even after a life full of fucking others over. "Oh, hey, I'm sorry about all that, Lord. Your my one, true Savior now". Their God is, as I've already stated, a complete and utter narcissistic, sadistic asshole. So your baby was born without a brain? Blame Adam and Eve, bitch! Your whole city just got nuked? Blame Adam and Eve, bitch! You've got worms crawling out of your ass? BAAEB! Don't blame your Loving God, just because He made up all these fucked up rules that were destined to be broken right away and the draconian consequences that come with most minor infraction! Don't blame a God that requires only PERFECTION (nothing fucked up about that, no, nothing at all). Of course, this fucked up religion's followers play the same 'blame somebody else' game. "Hey, I'm not discriminated against gays. Some of my best friends are 'struggling' with being gay. I'm not against science, but I'm not allowed to believe in it. I'm not against the Constitution, but I'm required to do everything I can to violate it. I respect you, but I'm required to impose my beliefs on you, because they're the only ones that are right. Got a problem with that? Blame God." Yeah, OK. You could choose to subscribe to a more mellow form of Christianity; there are plenty of sects out there that don't discriminate against gays, and you can still get to Heaven without being a complete asshole...but you chose this one, fella. So who's the asshole? God? For an atheist, the answer here is self evident. omigawd you ramble on like a 42D! and you tangentalize like one! duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! ok first of all, i had no germane "argument", but germane points. clear your head of those martinis. but you did tangentalize nicely, and yes i agree with your points, no matter how irrelevant to my original questions to vh.

everybody cut and pastes in one sense or another.

change those two facts if it pleases you. it doesn't change the argument.

i think keeping the original post in its designated thread without spray was correct, as was throwing the predictable mutation into spray (he doesn't have to acknowledge the mutation, which would actually dovetail nicely with his fundie beliefs).

He's also way cooler, smarter, funnier, and better looking. dude, you got bigger tits, that's all. don't let it go to your head. when someone speaks about intelligent design in a species-creationist sense, human tails and terrible birth defects are entirely germane. as witnessed by the response i received. what does a fundamentalist do when faced with a question that so obviously, to a rational player, negates the existence of a compassionate caring design/build contractor? he resorts to the tidy little myth that he was (probably) forced to accept as a youngster: "gee billy, in the beginning everything was perfect. then a WOMAN ruined it all by not listening to god. Evil woman brings wrath upon all mankind forever, while compassionate male god witnesses birth defects and torture and etc etc blah blah blah. yes i'll admit right away that this sort of childish interpretation of bible story myth frustrates me (i think there is much room to interpret this myth in an intelligent mature way). what frustrates me is the level of denial and hypocrisy that the believer needs to engage in. ok ok it's their choice yes, but it infects our society. it is an actual infection that threatens the well-being of each and every one of us because of its implications regarding public policy. the threat is very very real, from this arcane sense of justice that we have (death penalty) to misappropriation of public funds (religious schools), to war mongering, to many other negatives. yes tails on humans and birth defects are very germane to this discussion, but, as usual, not the discussion you were having.

i wonder why no reply to the above anomalous pictures of god-designed humans? i try to think about this through the eyes of a creationist who believes in a perfect god that designed us, but can't quite come up with an explanation that works. can't you, vertical hiker, help? (pretend i'm on a mountain, maybe denali, and you are on a mission to help).

How could a designer with the powers you speak of screw up this bad? Seems like your god is a practical joker, and a sadist to boot? I respectfully await your reply.

i used to average a finger injury every 6 months. i didn't take anything, and now i average one about once a year, due to something silly like campusing one finger crimps. hmmm... maybe your tendons just naturally got stronger?

How could a designer with the powers you speak of fuck up this bad? Seems like your god is a practical joker, and a sadist to boot. I await your reply, dumbass.

Oh crap, I fucked up again. I keep doing this and all the humanoids will turn into atheists! Oy Vei! Oh poop, not again. How do I stop this? My very existence hangs in the balance. If they stop believing, I stop existing; oh the existential angst! I know! I'll remove their brains, so they can't reason anymore. BUahahahaaa i am a nefarious god, yes i am.... dumbass.

correction, Christians don't sell. They point the way. All we can do is point, it's other people's choices if they want to listen, not ours. Jesus is not a product. He is God in flesh, and took Pink's place on the cross, as all of us. We all deserve what we should get, and I deserve it more than any of you, thank God he is graceful. "THE" Way. No arrogance there. yeah noticed that too. oh well, gloves off, bitches!

but the russkies fucked with the finns before the revolution, hence.... yeah tht was some f'ed up shit in the winter war. my mom lost her dad during the final days.

set his hair on fire. make him belay you up some 5.11 or 5.12 trad you've never done, in the mountains, with the radio playing the kingston trio. sing.

oh yeah? well my dad, being the true finn, insists the only good russian is a dead russian

ok let's get this straight: i hold no neg-ams. i would only get a neg-am if i was certain to be in a position to sell property quickly (why would i pay any extra if i didn't have to, since my aim wouldn't be to hold and build equity?). i understand also that i am in a position to refi anything i would buy with a neg am, because of various factors we don't need to go into (i'd hate to leverage myself into a tenuous position with no outs). you wouldn't advise anyone to delve into derivatives without a complete position from which to play, right? and you wouldn't curse derivatives outright simply because of the risk, right? it's a bad comparison in many ways, but the point is it depends on what you do and why you do it. jeez. dumbass.

:lmao: hey don't get too cozy, bud. i'm still waiting for your response regarding the council of nicea. dumbass.

If some of us were truly intolerant than vertical hiker would not be posting on the board or have a locked topic detailing the basic facts regarding his groups trip. nice ruse. sounds like it sold itself to ya.

How do you define tolerance? For me it means acknowledging and respecting the legal rights of people with opinions that differ from my own. That's it. IMO so long as you abide by the strictures defined above, you can extend tolerance to persons that you actively despise. yes yes we all know you're a law and order type of guy, blah blah blah heard it before. So what's your working definition? my working definition is you're a dumbass, just like pink.

For Putin!

hey, hitler was Man of the Year, Moron!

How do you define tolerance? For me it means acknowledging and respecting the legal rights of people with opinions that differ from my own. That's it. IMO so long as you abide by the strictures defined above, you can extend tolerance to persons that you actively despise. yes yes we all know you're a law and order type of guy, blah blah blah heard it before.

yeah and let's not talk about climbing anymore either, cuz you know, climbing sells itself. dumbass.