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Good one, RURP I guess the discussion is all about relative suckyness then...

Yup, that's me, I absolutely don't get that part. The gym's full of plastic. It's not even close to the real thing, although you can easily get pumped, get a workout, whatever. If you positively can't stand the concrete, stick to the rocks. If they aren't rock-like enough for you, go to the gym. If getting pumped is no problem, and your tendons get all sore, what part are you missing from the workout? Enlighten me, because I'm really curious. I didn't intend to get into defend-the-rock mode here, the biggest reason I like it so much is that it's the only option I have for climbing in my lunch break, on the way home from work, etc. I'd love to have time to drive out of the city for a 1 hour session, but seldom do.

The UW rock is great... talk to the other people, be inventive, if you can't get pumped down there then you're either superhuman or not trying hard enough. Paying for a gym membership in the sunny season seems like a waste of $$$ to me, it's plastic for crying out loud.

Oh, hey, forgot... what's the warranty on Gore-Tex VBLs? Like parkas (lifetime) or like boots (limited)? If it's lifetime than you can buy a pair and if you wear out the membrane you'll get a new pair.

Magic trick #1... remove the insoles before going to sleep, stash them on top and close to your body. Magic trick #2... Ditto for socks and make sure you have two pairs so you always have a semi-dry pair at the end of the day for sleeping. The pair you're not wearing as you sleep gets stashed like the insoles. Magic trick #3... once boots, socks, insoles, feet are all wet, you're kinda screwed... The boots or plastic boot liners won't dry out in the field. If you have to hike around with wet boots, dry your insoles and socks and then put plastic bags on over the socks. The boots will continue to be soaking wet, your socks will also be soaking wet as soon as you start to sweat, but the water on the inside of the barrier will be warm and the water on the outside will be cold. Someone that remembers their thermodynamics better than I do can pipe in and explain what ways of heat loss are eliminated as the liner prevents the water on the inside from mixing with the water on the outside... whatever it is it's the fasted way of heat conduction. That's why the vapor barrier liners work, not because they keep you dry - they don't. Anyway, this scenario is what you wind up with when it's pouring, when hiking through marshes, or when spending muchos time on snow in warm weather. I don't really have any experience with extended trips in very low temperatures. I have done short trips though and as long as it was cold enough I have had no need for VBLs. (a) The snow is really frozen, so it's not melting and getting into your boots; (b) it's really cold, so you're not sweating as much. Better make sure you're paying attention to that though, if the weather is really cold and you're going to be out there for awhile you simply don't have the option of getting super sweaty - you have to regulate your pace with the entire duration of the trip in mind. But, I guess the idea behind using VBLs in very cold weather is like somebody said - keeping the boots dry. It works at the expense of your feet, your feet will always be soaked if you wear VBLs. This is a completely different situation than the "oops it's raining everything is soaked scenario..." Don't forget that baby powder [ 08-25-2002, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: fleblebleb ]

Belay biner + reverso. Not fancy stuff, just in constant use...

quote: Originally posted by pindude: In Spokane in the past, we would pick a person to carry out the "group bag," someone who made themselves worthy of it. We now have each individual carry their own out, but we have a marked or wanded common area where people can do their business. Huh...? I'd heard the Spokane way was a variant of the smear method, pick a worthy person and everybody smears on that individual.

Lickitysplit

Stupid 60 second flood control thingy

Dammit

Snuck in...

I usually try to suppress any memories of golf that may pop up

A buddy used to do that in the middle of town when we were teenagers. *Smack* off goes a golf ball across a whole block, over a cliff and onto the asphalt on the neighborhood childrens' school soccer/basketball area. Scary... lucky nobody got killed. Actually, come to think of it I did see somebody catch a golf ball in the head after a drive - the ball didn't bounce or anything like that, just hit the guy full on and knocked him out. Don't think there was any serious damage - just a golf ball-sized bump on his head

Hey, you're right... On both counts. Those maps are really cool, but Agnes would have to be a detour on any traverse. I've heard people sometimes continue the Ptarmigan Traverse all the way over to Bonanza and Holden though, that sounds good.

Sweet! Hehehe, make you a deal, you get photos, I get story

What are the rap anchors like on the SE shoulder? How hard is it to find them and how good are they? Is 2x50 plenty or borderline? Sounds like a better option than descending the route.

Bah. If it doesn't look like a boulder to you, slant your head and squint like so and I'm sure you'll do better

The UW rock! It's not concrete! At least not all of it! They're real rocks!

I guess it was just a little server glitch then...?

Duly confused

Really?

I used to have a Nikon Coolpix 950. But I took it along on one too many overnight trips and killed it - a little bit of moisture can be enough, there's at least two high voltage sources (flash, LCD panel) that can fry all the CMOS if they short. Note that anything but the most simple film camera has the same vulnerability, as long as there is a chip to do the autofocus... I'll get a new digital camera eventually, one of those nice new small ones, but definitely only take it on climbing trips in an underwater case. Apart from the fragility I think digital rocks. No more skyhigh processing costs. I shot thousands of images before destroying my camera and never paid a penny more than the startout price. The software crashed very occasionally, which required rebooting by opening up the battery compartment, but it never failed to get me the picture I wanted until I finally fried it - even in evil weather on the summit of Rainier. The latency from click to capture is getting lower and lower too.

Hey, cool suggestion robertm. I'm filing that away for later... If you did Dome and Agnes and wanted to continue in the same direction to finish a traverse, what would follow? I don't have any maps here

Cool site. Guess what, I found a bunch of nice posts by Dru too

Listen up people, you're being goaded by the effortlessly cool one. Time to bring out the