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Because the nexus of anger in which you reside does not allow you to see the world as anything but political.

One irony in your premise is that these 'brighter minds...capable of understanding the higher math...' will most likely lack the social skills necessary to convey their unifying thesis - such is often the mind of the intellectual. Aka 'geeks'. They will rely on messengers and translators - with no adgenda of their own of course - to bring the grand message to the lay-masses. Cretainly a religion based on science will require the strictest adherance. I suspect those who do not subscribe might even be considered 'dangerous'. But I mostly agree with you, Oly. Seems to me that sentient life is what it is. The natural order of things in this universe over time - the universe bringing awareness to itself through a concoction of compounds and ordered sequences that become naturally more complex. That said, I still find it impossible to imagine the dust at the end of time is void of a consciousness that remembers we were all once here.

Obviously not applicable to the 4 gas-giants, but can a rocky-bodied planet really collapse/spin itself into a sphere at less than some minimum mass? At some critical mass/density of material the core of a sperical body would have to become hot/molten - wouldn't it? I suspect the gravitational forces of an orbiting body (moon) would lower the threshold even farther. I'm sure there is a mass/density/gravity formula, but I'm too lazy to investigate right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4795755.stm If UB313 is larger than Pluto/Charon it certainly deserves inclusion in the 'planet' family. But honestly, I wasn't aware that the asteroid Ceres was a sphere. Doesn't the fact that a planet or moon is near-sperical indicate it has - or had - a molten core? Anyway; this debate all seems like semantics to me. Prematurley categorizing every conceivable object we encounter in the universe down the road will probably just narrow our collective view.

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You sound bitter, Arch.

Your (dumb) idea has already been suggested by this fellow...... You keep good company.

I believe more people will start leaving the car at home and use the transporter.

Let's see here; you post a picture of a decimated Red Cross vehicle and neglect to post any context or story. How in the hell do you conclude that I hold The Red Cross complicit?? Was the vehicle being used to transport weapons/fighters? If Hezbolla is willing to place missile launchers on apartment buildings and set up HQ in a hospital then they share the blame for images like the one you so mindlessly posted. I think you're the one drinkin' the Koolaid. Obviously, a good climber does not a thinker make.

Calm down, bitch.

Are you certain we're looking at reality here? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5254838.stm

Climb:Sloan-Glacier/Corkscrew Date of Climb:8/5/2006 Trip Report: With my friend Greg, brother Steve, and two of his friends - Todd and JB - we did a day trip up Sloan Saturday. River crossing is no problem. Glacier is crevassed and somewhat broken if you go diagonal/direct toward shelf, but I think the the upper/longer glacier crossing should stay safe and passable for some time. Beautiful summit views of the Monte Cristo Group. Congrats to the two guys I met finishing the west ridge climb. About 6 hrs 45 minutes up with 3 solid breaks for food/water/views. Gear Notes: Rope (Glacier) Ice Axe Sandals (River Crossing) Approach Notes:

....Meanwhile Iran, the likely instigator of this whole affair, continues to enrich uranium on page A-12. And the Jew-hating UN grants the ayatollas another 31 days to comply with demands....'or else'.

So when Hezbolla sets up a missile battery on/near an apartment building full of innocents exactly who is responsible for the subsequent carnage? I think any reasonable person can see. Hezbolla.

Yes. There is a creek/waterfall that crosses the PCT just as you enter the basin from the north. Beautiful - flowers will likely be out now. Climbed CG this way on August 21st, 2003. (See pic) I think this was a normal snow year, so you should be OK, but "Bypass Camp" is much nicer and there is plenty of water. Once across Cispus Pass the route finding is not totally obvious and involves some class 2 scrambling for over 1000 feet to Klickton Divide. Also, keep in mind that the valley head you descend/traverse between Cispus Pass and Klickton Divide lies w/in the Yakima Indian Nation. I've heard this climb is more scenic and shorter from Conrad Meadows/Warm Lake.

Climb: Sluiskin Peak - Vernal Pk - Elysian Fields.....-XC Date of Climb: 7/28/2006 Trip Report: Together with my friend Greg, we left Ipsut Creek TH at 8:00am with the intention of climbing Sluiskin Peaks and traversing XC across Vernal Park, Elysian Fields, and traversing Pacific Point or descending via Dick Creek. The lower crossing of The Carbon River is out. We forded it with sandals and not too much difficulty, and headed up, up, up through beautiful mist-filled forest breaking out above the clouds just below Windy Gap. From here we traversed cross-country up talus-filled ravines, creeks, and Alpine Fir groves to the col between The Chief and The Squaw. Beckey's route description telling us that the climb is a mere class 3 scramble we climbed upward to the base of The Chief and beyond - the terrain steadily progressing from 3rd to hard fourth class. About 50 feet from the top we came upon belay slings and it was clear that the route above was very exposed low-fifth. With no rope - and not wanting to downclimb this difficult terrain, we bagged out about 40 or 50 feet from the top. Upon our return to the col, we decided to continue with our plans to visit Vernal Park, and seldom-visited Elysian Fields. We headed down a steep scree-filled gully about 1000 feet to beautiful Vernal Park. Then, up about 500 feet to the col that separates Vernal Park from Elysian Fields. We excitedly dropped through alpine fir groves headed for the meadows, when we came upon a "Black" Bear. Actually, the brownest blackie I've ever seen! He appeared to be too busy humping a log/scratching his underside to care about us - we were about 100 feet away. The meadows here are probably amongst the most magnificent I've ever seen. Small ponds and flowing rivulets everywhere. We were careful to walk apart and avoid trampling. With clouds and fog threatening, we resisted the temptation to descend directly down Dick Creek. (This turned out to be a very good decision.) Instead, we climbed up several hundred feet to the top of Pacific Point. Great views! And we were able to see - partly - the folly that Dick Creek would have been. We instead headed back down yet another talus slope and thick forest - 2000 feet down - to pick up the Wonderland Trail just below Mystic Park. Flowers! Hiked out 7 miles from here to our start point. 11 hrs round trip. Gear Notes: Should have brought a rope for Sluiskin. Not 3rd class! Approach Notes: Ipsut to Windy Gap in.... Exit via Wonderland trail from Mystic Park.

They could use Zeiss Geckos to test astronomical mirrors for continuity and finish.

Oh, oh, oh! Look at me! I'm from Seattle! And as further proof of my urban sophistication I will refer to my musicanus lexicanus obscurus whenever I am in likewise higher caste company. Granted, I may not actually enjoy the clamor which penetrates my auditory canal but it is, nonetheless, important that I listen and opine each nuance - for I may be asked by my hyper-educated peers in the most offhand manner how I like the newest Blah Blah CD. Is this musical one-up how effete Seattle metrosexuals now measure their cocks? BTW, the only artist I recognized - aside from KK's Pink Floyd choice - was Jack Johnson. Seriously; how can anyone listen to that shit? It sounds like children's music.

I wonder how the judge would rule your claim after I demonstrated the "Ignore User" feature available to you (and me) on this site.

First you'd have to prove an elevated heart rate is unhealthy. Then you would have to demonstrate a lawyer's time is more valuable than anybody else's.

You seem a little tense, Matt. Maybe you'd feel better if you sued someone today....or wrote out a really big check to the "American Association for Justice" or their #1 benefactor, The Democratic National Committee.

Brilliantly stated!

My heart pumps piss for tobacco companies, but don't you find it a bit strange that the same state governments who have/continue to make billions in cigarette tax revenue have the audacity to complain about the associated health-care costs they have incurred?

A few years ago my son's baseball coach was hit squarely in the face by a foul ball and his nose was literally crushed. While my wife was trying to stop the blood gushing from his wound she tried her hand at a little humor by noting that his blood was rather greasy. "Damn! Have you been stuffing your face with Oreo's and cheeseburgers today?" she asked. He just nodded that he had consumed both of these foods during the last 12 hours. The trans-fat in cake frosting, Oreo's, some fries, and baked goods is, in fact, dangerous. I don't think the public has been adequately warned. But, again, most are at least vaguely aware that certain foods will paste your arteries from the inside, out.

I think Matt neglected to attach a disclaimer to his post.