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I (surprisingly) agree with what you're trying to say. But this might partially explain. Iraqi attack on USS Stark, 1987. French-made missile. 37(?) dead.

Jim, I have made bold some parts of your post that you may wish to reconsider. They seem to hint strongly at removing our president via extraconstitutional means. Of course, I'm sure this isn't what you really want to convey, but I'm very curious exactly what you plan to do. Just protest? Fine. But if you fancy yourself a revolutionary and think it would be really cool to plot the overthrow - by coup or subterfuge - of a duly elected government, I think you would do well to consider that there are many - like me - who would not stand for it. Do you understand what I'm saying? Play your little game tomorrow and feel good. It's a free country, after all.

Here is Murray's original quote: "And the 8 years prior to that saw Reagan and his VP Bush and some guy named "Rumsfeld" selling WMDs to a guy named Saddam, and around and around it goes..." Murray's quote states that Reagan, Bush Sr, and Rumsfeld "sold WMD's" to Iraq. Clearly they did not. So some american companies may have sold biological materials to Iraq - and virtually every other university/lab/nation on earth. The stuff was probably available in catalogs along with euthanized cats! Lets be real here - selling a bottle of bleach that is subsequently used in some weaponized concoction does not a WMD peddler make.

My solution: Kill them on the battlefield. ...And since we're quoting Orwell: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. --George Orwell I sometimes think that the price of liberty is not so much eternal vigilance as eternal dirt. --George Orwell Liberal: a power worshipper without power. --George Orwell War is evil, but it is often the lesser evil --George Orwell disclaimer: No political ideal can lay claim to Orwell. I'm sure you can come up with more quotables to demonstrate his complexity, but I really think he just liked to come up with ideas expressed just so.

Nice pictures! Did you do the entire circumnavigation? How was the XC from Bird Creek Meadows to Avalanche Valley? Big Muddy crossing? I am jealous. I've wanted to do this trip for a long time.

Are you really serious? That website is the work of a marginally educated 10th grader. I especially like the classification of our 2001/2002 military action in Afghanistan: "to gain control of central asian oilfields" - or some such nonsense. BTW, hasn't Canada played a pretty active role there since day one? Guess all that oil shale isn't panning out for you all, eh? Snort, snort. edit....breaking news! It now appears that in 1950 The United States was guilty of attacking the sovereign nation of Colombia with Food Aid. And the sole reason we went to Korea in 1950 was to "Kill Civilians". Amazing stuff I didn't previously know....really! Go suck a choad you leftist Canadian punk. What a fucking dumbass.

mmmyes, they are nice - aren't they?

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Thankyou America. http://www.theotheriraq.com/

I'll have to disagree with Matt - just this once. Unless Matt is alluding to the NW Face of NW Ridge - in that case he's spot-on. The Northwest Ridge itself is a choss pile at any time of year. Bowling-Ball sized rocks - some quite loose. I've never been over to Lava Ridge, but I suspect it might be a bit better. Also, the White Salmon Glacier might be a nice choice if you bring some ice gear. Have fun.

What a canadian thing to say. Are you really trying to proclaim that 9/11 was our fault? If so - fuck off. WMD's?? I'm sure you can cite mainstream sources? Saddam's WMD programs were mostly of German and Russian origin. His conventional arms were mostly of French and Russian origin. I have never heard credible claims that we supplied WMD's to Saddam/Iraq. Did you just make this up? ...like your Gingrich story?

You, Sir, are a pandering bandwagon jumper who fails in every way to use his brain in a generous manner. You represent to me, on this board, by your comments, the smart but mindless Cowboy Jingoism that led us to this clusterfuck. I don't care if you respond, because I am using the ignore feature on your well-educated (I am sure), but still, somehow idiotic ass.

Pre 9/11/01: Bush = 8 months Clinton = 8 years BTW: Olbermann is the left wing version of Rush Limbaugh. I never cite Limbaugh. It would be a joke if I did. Oh, wait....

Pope, is there any truth to the rumor you once free-soloed the west tower of the narrows bridge using only the rivets and while carrying your unsecured pet iguana over your left shoulder?

Trail Running: Fort Steilacoom Park 4.2mi perimeter loop. Point Defiance 'Square' loop = 4.1mi, 'Triangle Loop' = 3.4mi. Mount Pete/Peak Enumclaw - 1000k climb/trail run, 29mile drive to parking lot from north Tacoma. Green Mountain near Bremerton - 1100k climb/bike/run, about 21 mile drive from north Tacoma. Capitol Peak near Oly provides a 1700'gain on bike/run, but I haven't recorded the drive mileage. As for actual 'mountain' adventure, the closest access east is Carbon River/Mowich Lake at MRNP - about a 55 minute drive from north Tacoma. If you want to drive west you can make it to the Cushman Lake area trailheads in about 70 minutes. Note: It is always shorter to drive across the Narrows and through Gorst/Belfair than to go through Oly/Shelton. Always. Have fun.

FDR's prosecution of the war seems like it would be a deal breaker to someone who hates GWB for far less.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are just the final chapter written by Truman. FDR's use of incendiaries during the last year of the war killed far more civilians than the two atomic bombings. Maybe you should try to dig past history's headlines, put down that beer, and attend history class at least once or twice per semester. The basics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_in_World_War_II

...and let's not forget his total war doctrine which (rightly or wrongly) left an estimated 3 million japanese civilians incinerated on the streets and in the homes of most major cities there. Yet FDR is a universally loved icon of the american left today. I just don't get it.

Then how about re-naming Olympus Mons?

My post is wholly relevant and meant to temper the conspiratorial spew that you are simultaneously ejecting and swallowing. God forbid (!) anyone post context or attempt to inform. This might interfere with the misinformation vetted here on this site. Now go back to your self indulgent trust-fund travels. Run along.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus Suspension during the Civil War and Reconstruction Habeas corpus was suspended on April 27, 1861, during the American Civil War by President Lincoln in Maryland and parts of midwestern states, including southern Indiana. He did so in response to riots, local militia actions and the threat that the Southern slave state of Maryland would secede from the Union leaving the nation's capital, Washington, D.C., in the south. He was also motivated by requests by generals to set up military courts to rein in "Copperheads" or Peace Democrats, and those in the Union who supported the Confederate cause. His action was challenged in court and overturned by the U.S. Circuit Court in Maryland (led by Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney) in Ex Parte Merryman, 17 F. Cas. 144 (C.C.D. Md. 1861). Lincoln ignored Taney's order. In the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis also suspended habeas corpus and imposed martial law. This was in part to maintain order and spur industrial growth in the South to compensate for the economic loss inflicted by its secession. In 1864, Lambdin P. Milligan and four others were accused of planning to steal Union weapons and invade Union prisoner-of-war camps and were sentenced to hang by a military court. However, their execution was not set until May 1865, so they were able to argue the case after the Civil War. In Ex Parte Milligan 71 U.S. 2 1866 the Supreme Court of the United States decided that the suspension of the writ did not empower the President to try and convict citizens before military tribunals. The trial of civilians by military tribunals is allowed only if civilian courts are closed. This was one of the key Supreme Court Cases of the American Civil War that dealt with wartime civil liberties and martial law. In the early 1870s, President Grant suspended habeas corpus in nine counties in South Carolina, as part of federal civil rights action against the Ku Klux Klan under the 1870 Force Act and 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act. [edit] Suspension during the War on Terrorism This article documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses. The November 13, 2001 Presidential Military Order gives the President of the United States the power to detain certain non-citizens suspected of connection to terrorists or terrorism as enemy combatants. As such, that person can be held indefinitely, without charges being filed against him or her, without a court hearing, and without entitlement to a legal consultant. Many legal and constitutional scholars contend that these provisions are in direct opposition to habeas corpus, and the United States Bill of Rights. Specifically, American citizens declared enemy combatants by the President may be denied their constitutional rights as set forth in Amendments 4, 5, 6 and 8. One recent example is the José Padilla case. In the case of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, argued before the United States Supreme Court in March 2006, Salim Ahmed Hamdan petitioned for a writ of habeas corpus, challenging the lawfulness of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's plan to try him for alleged war crimes before a military commission convened under special orders issued by the President of the United States, rather than before a court-martial convened under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. On June 29, 2006, in a 5-3 ruling the Supreme Court of the United States rejected Congress's attempts to strip the court of jurisdiction over habeas corpus appeals by detainees at Guantánamo Bay, although Congress had previously passed the Detainee Treatment Act (DTA), which took effect on December 30, 2005: "[N]o court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba." §1005(e)(1), 119 Stat. 2742. As of 26 September, 2006, the U.S. Congress was debating a bill which would suspend habeas corpus for all non-U.S. citizens detained on foreign soil.[1]

Glug, glug, glug.....Crux, you need a Kool-Aid bong just to get it all down! History is being rewritten as we speak, and you're just one of the messenger boys. What a tool.

Consider Mount Shasta. All the altitude and no crevasses. Great skiing too.