Fairweather

In case your fellow willing dupes don't know ..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/11/AR2006101101640.html

Isn't Harry busy with a Nevada land deal this evening? Or was that his son?

I can't wait to hear idiots such as i like spunk next year as they relay to us all the conjured up conspiracies about George W Bush suspending the '08 election, dissolving congress, or declaring marshal law. I predict the left wing kook-fringe hysteria here will reach all-time highs! I can't wait to see the freak show.

Running and biking in Tacoma with ya lately....you never bothered to tell me you were celebrity material! I'll watch the show.

Fairweather, apart from muzzling the personal views of park employees and discriminating for government employment based on the applicant's socio-political views, I would hope that you don't also propose this purge as a first step towards removing all oversight of NPS policy as related to environmental issues. While I don't know a thing about PEER, given your intense mistrust and dislike of the government, I would otherwise assume you would applaud an effort to hold the government accountable; or is accountability not so important when it comes to protecting the park resource measured against keeping the road open at all costs and keeping money flowing? I'm not trivializing the latter issues but I am saying that both have to be considered with equal weight. Government agencies shouldn't be given absolute trust with anything- including protection of the resource. Pulling a page from your own book, I'd also ask if you would suggest that any park staff who own businesses in Ashford or surrounding communities, or who hold membership or stake in any pro-development lobbies, be terminated as well, for similar reasons of conflict of interest in unfairly influencing park policy from within? Good points, all. The answer to your last question is a resounding yes. Just as private enterprise holds employees accountable re conflict of interest or non-compete clauses, the NPS should have every right to stipulate the same - especially if those interests are geographically close at hand and involve $$$. I have never heard of this being a problem at any Washington State National Park. As for "PEER", it looks like a clear case of the crew trying to gain a means by which they can bypass the officers and run the ship themselves. Congress, current administration/interior, park superintendents all have a hand in making big decisions. Allowing a group of underlings to subvert a stringent review process or make policy - that does allow for the extraordinary contingencies of last November's floods - is madness. I remain convinced that a hard-core minority of park employees are committed to an agenda that will eventually lead to a public lockout from our national parks. If they wish to hold these beliefs at a personal level, fine. But if they want to form a quasi-union to force their agenda from within they should be show to the gate - just as an employee of a private sector company likely would. BTW: Nice Climb!

Any park staff who hold membership in "PEER" should be asked to immediately seek other employment. Yes; fired.

I've wanted to do that hike along the Napali Coast of Kauai. When we sailed along it a few years back there were naked women hikers sunbathing on the more secluded beaches.

Not really, but if you've got kids along a short rope wouldn't hurt.

I did it a couple years back. Nice trip, with just some minor route-finding skills required. The last 30 feet to the top is moderately exposed. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/472772/page/5#Post472772

No. I took my non-climber daughter up Ruth for some nice scenery. As we sat on the top taking in the spectacular views I told her that I had waited 21 years for just such a moment. She seemed impressed and wants to climb Baker next month! I don't know why, but The Spillway Glacier fascinates me. Got any pics of your Icy climb? Were you the group that was heading up to camp on top of Ruth?

Oh, the pride, eh! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288846,00.html

But then punks like Winter wouldn't get to lecture us on the morality which they may or may not possess depending on the degree of validation they feel per the institution of higher learning they may have attended at some point or the degree that entitles them to that morality and how thick the walls said institution built around their self-described ability to think freely hedged against their contempt for the life of the unborn and their constant state of unhappiness and bitter contempt for all traditional values however benign buttressed against their dark world view and hatred of all things outside their very narrow window of life and how it should be as dictated for all by them.... Moderator!! Winter got his feelins hurt! Lock this thread!

As an attorney, you are part of the American justice system. Quit. The fact that you shun the word morality when it is not convenient and embrace it when it fits your vision of justice is also telling.

Believe it or not, Winter, one need not hold a degree from edu inc. to judge morality. Feel free to think for yourself from time to time. I think I'll take the high road and pass on the personal insults and pissing matches. Thanks though. The fact that your heart bleeds for the likes of John Wayne Gacy - child serial killer - is a personal insult. The fact that you post tripe and then plead the academic inability to judge morality is only a little less so.

Believe it or not, Winter, one need not hold a degree from edu inc. to judge morality. Feel free to think for yourself from time to time.

Um, Jay, did you read the story? It was a man that was executed for adultery in this case. My tongue in cheek title notwithstanding, it's gotta be a horrible way to die. Hope she was worth it!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288793,00.html

How dare you speak of Canada like this!

My point exactly.

I'll settle this: Virtually all of King County and metropolis therein - with the possible exception of Black Diamond - are shit-wasted, rat infested, overpriced, womb-barren, despot-controlled, bumper sticker plastered, grid-locked, smog-stewing collectives with no redeeming qualities of which to speak. Comparing the various "dens" within the sewer does not change the fact that in a sewer you reside. Tacoma is the shining city on the hill. Put on your sunglasses before you look up.

It's called summer. Happens every year - north and south of the tropics anyway. Meanwhile, down south: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286484.stm

Climbed Ruth yesterday (Sat) with my daughter, brother, and his girlfriend. No skis taken. I only saw one faded pair of ski tracks on the glacier, but from the summit down was some nice plunge stepping on good corn. There were several overnighters on the mountain but I saw no one with skis, which was surprising. Would have been almost perfect spring skiing with continuous snow down to Hannegan camp - but not for too much longer. From yesterday: The Spillway Glacier looked like a great ski!

I'll let you know tomorrow.

I assume you're interested in knowing where the scat sample was found. (You didn't ask.) By drainage? GPS coordinates? Wouldn't wool samples be just as easy? I would be happy to help as long as the purpose of your thesis doesn't involve justification for the old ONP program of goat eradication.