Beck

The car/truck that gets you out there is the one you want to own- an advantage to 4 wheel drive with snow tires is the mounties will let you roll right on through any chainup station they've got going on, saves you time/hassle. I'm in agreement with David Parker about the sleeping in your car bit- what a substandard way to spend the night (not that I haven't done it, like when I brought the wrong set of tent poles on a winter trip) sleeping in a car is like sleeping at home, with a humidifier running full blast- I think it's people who are scared of CREATURES OF THE NIGHT!! Watch out, it's the boogeyman!!! Why do you want to sleep AT the trailhead? No trooper's going to look for you if you're even 200 yards up the trail tucked in a cranny somewhere. California excepted, I bet the YOS LEO have night vision/infrared goggles to detect unauthorized camping!

Are we spraying again? Teddy Ruxpin

Blue Star Pub is located in Wallingford conveinetly located between I-5 and highway 99- Take I-5 N or S or Hiway 99 N or S, get off on the 45th street exits (for Hiy 99 it's like the zoo exits or something like that. Head West if from I-5, east if 99 Blue Star pub is almost at the corner of 45th and Stone Way. Intersection has Mcdonalds and Wash State Liquor Store, Blue Star is right next to Liquor Store to N- hope to see some of you there!! Beck

Hey, Cavey, not the SPD here in Seattle now, they've taken to flaunting this in light of the WTO demonstrations, they were observed at a WTO anniversary march with badge numbers and nametags "convienently" hidden under retroflective vests or other equipment, enough so that there are suits against the SPD at this time. Refusing to identify oneself as an officer of the peace may becomming more standard operating procedure in more jurisdictions, probably on an individual basis- if a LEO is an asshole to citizens, maybe he's got more personal reasons to not to identify themselves. Sorry to all the bros that got harrassed, this truly sounds lame. Not to fan the fires of dissent but I personally believe in paying the 25 bucks a year- call me a toe the line citizen, but if the Gov says pay to play, the only rational recourse is to pay to play- they tell us how much tax we pay, it is a bummer but that's America for you- I know the timber. gas and ranchers are subsidized in the wilderness and we are not, but look at the disastarous effects a group of citizens had on Washington States budget when Tim Eyman's little "free lunch" initives got passed by the citiznry- they said, no car tabs, look what an imbroglio our state's ferries, roads, etc have become- I guess there's no money to fund highways and roads this year and the legislature doesn't go back to session until January- I know the Forest recreation parking pass fund doesn't help climbers much but at the same time 25 does not equal 150 - sorry to hear about all the hassles at the SC parking lot, dudes!!

I've seen good parents and bad parents in the outdoors, thanking my lucky stars I'm not a parent as the job looks very challenging. As to Bronco's post on hauling a kid screaming "NOO DADDY!" across the Cowlitz, It sounds like he just turned his kid off from an enjoyable future in climbing. Good, job, Buddy. You let your "summit dreams" totally terrorize your daughter.

Listen, dudes, I KNOW Teddy, and there's no way he'd hang out in Stamford, Conneticut! Teddy does think I'm a total hack climber who should stick to climbing out of wet paper sacks before I try anything harder, he got the wrong idea on "She's GGGonna blow" and I figure he's still out there, climbing hard, sending evil routes- he doesn't even care about getting his name claim on first ascents...

Hey, Greg, your friend needs a basic backpacking tent for the PNW? TNF slick rock isn't light or good for the NW when it's raining. Mountain Hardware approach? pretty heavy, way overbuilt if you're backpacking. I've got to recommend any of the conestoga style hoop tents manufactured by various manufacturers. She can buy a solo hoop tent under 3 pounds or a two person under 4 lbs. The Walrus Zoid series are very nice hoop tents and light, plus they have a wide side door you can just roll out of and the vestibule can become an awning if you want a sheltered porch. Again, very light. As for stormworthiness, you can guyline these hoop tents out and get a pretty bomber tent-I've seen guys camping out at Castle Saddle out in the Tatoosh with a Sierra Designs clip flashlight fly w/o body and they dug it in as a floorless tent, sure withstood some wicked winds that night. most mountain look backpackers tents have too much weight and bells and whistles. I'd totally recommend she try out a tarp or inexpensive shelter like the BD betamid to save $$$ and shave even more pounds while backpacking

The ropeup was a ROCKING good time, much thanks to all of you that found Bridge Creek Campground and made it to the event, wouldn't of been a party without you! What happened? Well, a bunch of climbers got togther in the woods and partied hard, climbed harder (or was it just the afteraffects of all that beer?). Some of us forgot their beer, some their stash, we were batter lite first thing Sunday morn (Where were you, Lisa? we saw you earlier) Some forgot how to climb, someone forgot their prussiks when they REALLY could have used em', but all in all the Fall Ropeup was damn fine. We had a round of night climbing done by the bros that just couldn't stop climbing when the sun went down. Pancake feast on Sunday morning, We had the good doctor's advice that breakfast links are actually good for you. Someone made WAY TOO MUCH coffee both mornings, we were collectively VERY wired Saturday morning. Dave and myself pulled knapweed Sunday afternoon and dropped a bunch of bags off to the Ranger Office, hoping for some positive PR for climbers in Icicle Canyon, as it's a pretty delicate spot as far as access for dirtbags is concerned. I'm guessing the ranger DavidParker mentions isn't that fond of climber types, personally I think we degrade the environment a lot less than horse packers and ORV users, but such it is. And to those of you that didn't make it, we were waiting for you and definetly ready to accomodate all, even newbies. We had ropes and riggers ready to set up some nice toprope problems for all to enjoy,sorry more of you didn't come out.Maybe you can make the Spring Ropeup. Many thanks again to those of you that showed up, hope to see you at the next big shindig!!

Man doesn't create beauty he channels it from creation itself. To all the literary folks who read this stuff, I must retract my earlier statements about Duchamp- he WAS the cofounder of the dadaist movement along with Alfred Jarry, whose book "The adventures of Doctor Faustaroll, pataphysician" is a very enjoyable piece of fiction, ranks higher than his play "Ubu Roi" IMO. I was confusing Duchamp with Breton and Crevel, also Appolinaire as I believe he compiled the great surrealist text "investigating sex"

Sorry about the incorrect fire beta, I thought it was Leavenworth fire was the lazy fire tending one, not thirty mile, so I apologize. Oh yeah, I'm still concerned about guys in BDUs and an army truck being the most probable suspects right now for bolt chopping at the Icicle crags, just would like to find out WHASSUP with that. [This message has been edited by Beck (edited 09-26-2001).]

I'll keep Duchamp out of the Alfred Jarry school of "King Turd" as he was much more derisive and witty, founded the ??? salon with Rene Daumal, Didn't he consolidate "investigating sex"? Dada was much less ...

Bringing in the french surrealists, eh, Dru? I believe the salon would consider these all legitimate forms of artistic expression, art is centrist expression which is effective to self first, secondary to others...if they get it, so much the better!

VERY interesting, Tim... We (collectively as climbers) need to get to the bottom of this one or some dipweeds are going to continue the raping of climbers crags throughout the canyon...

A bit away from that part of the state, but there's a field of house size boulders needing flash time in the high meadow on the approach to Fortress/Chiwawa up valley from Lk Wenatchee- As to earlier bouldering being done, suppose it could have happened as practice, but the "sport" of "bouldering" caught on only in last twenty years, so I figure it certainly wasn't documented by the Beckey clan- I don't believe he mentions it at all in the CAGs, let me know if I'm mistaken.

I think Viktor had good beta on the miscreants- a__wipes who wear camo BDU's and drive around in an Army truck- somebody should contact the Nast'l Guard and see if any "reservists" were on "detail" two weekends ago- It could also be paramilitary dipweeds who think climbers are a pock on the Icicle Creek Canyon, albeit i think the person that left the fire burning that started this year's fires was some backwoods hunter dimbulb they probably used to buy drinks for at the Old Post Office-

Sean, I don't know how accurate a RSVP is going to be for this thing, we've got this wingding posted out there in other venues, in the papers (some of them!) so, hey, 200 pounds of bisquick! (Just kidding) Here's a list of people that either said they were bringing stuff or just showing up- Jon (I don't know if Tim's making it) Beck Hikerwa Mattp Ehmmic Chris_W Hairball Erik Mike Reddig Climbing4 fun Dr Jay Will Strickland (needs a ride) Rafahel h Jules Dynamite Cpt Caveman 009 David Parker Erik N Rstewbone Lisa and some other CC.com posters, too and if it's just us at a group site, partying hardy and climbing hard, who's loss is it? Not ours!

Who's busting bolts off top rope problems in the Icicle? If they think they are climbers, they've got some growing up to do.

Regarding water purification, the MSR mini or their larger filter work very well and very tough, but you all might want to buy a MIOX disenfectant pen when they come onto the market next year. Only as big as a magic marker, brews up the same mix used in municipal water treatment plants, refill with salt tabs and camera batteries. It's being developed for use by US military, I'm positive climbers could figure out how to use it! I tested it earlier this spring and this product ROCKS! totally Beckproof! You can read a little blurb about it in last month's Outside magazine.

I think Carolyn could beat you in the Beer chug, cavey, better watch out! Mike, I don't think i can make it, I've got a date with the woman that's helping defend Ahmed Ressam.

Here's a thread for people who want to come to the Ropeup but don't have a ride- Campground is ours after 12 noon Friday and there will be some unscheduled activities for Friday, the main day is Saturday, some things happening Sunday AM so I hope those of you who don't have rides and want to go can connect up with some drivers. I'm leaving 9AM Friday.

Hey, everyone, the Fall Ropeup is GOOD TO GO. Bribed the 1000 trails hostess and her husband with some smoked salmon this weekend. Should keep us on their good side (to start) There will be fire restrictions next weekend, so I am making a call for anyone with Coleman lanterns, battery lamps, propane, etc. to bring those along, no need for the firewood as well. There will still be free camping at the group site although it will be first come, first served. There are also going to be trail and climbing restrictions in the immediate area, please respect these, as the post-fire environment is very fragile- maps will be available showing open/ closed areas. I hope lots of you can make it, We'll be having a blast!

7mm prussik. Very simple for top roping. Not hands free.

I think you're supposed to either 1) short rope the girl to the top, 2) stop right there, feed her some valium and massage her feet with soothing salve until she feels better 3) camp in the wilderness in some cranny no ranger will find you and break out the coconut oil or 4)fireman carry her to the top. Assuming she WAS a SHE, Dru!

Was just up in the canyon this last weekend as well, looking to develop a tick list for this next weekend's climbing fest and discovered the same - some MORONS chopped bolts off top rope belay anchors on lots of rock, even up to clamshell cave where two hangers were chopped off the 20' 5.11 boulder at the base off clamshell's right side- If these people consider themselves climbers, they are sorely deluding themselves.

Thanks, Jon, I just needed to get it off my chest. Need more room for my kevlar falsies.