ScottP

Check out the Osprey packs I own the Eclipse series (42+5) and it carries as nicely as any I have owned in the last 20 or so years. Not a lot of extra "features" and not too heavy. Another thing I like about it is the "straitjacket" design that allows versatility in volume.

A rabbi and a priest get into a car accident and it's a bad one. Both cars are totally demolished, but, amazingly, neither of the clerics is hurt. After they crawl out of their cars, the rabbi sees the priest's collar and says, "So you're a priest. I'm a rabbi. Just look at our cars. There's nothing left, but we are unhurt. This must be a sign from God. God must have meant that we should meet and be friends and live together in peace the rest of our days." The priest replies, "I agree with you completely. This must be a sign from God." The rabbi continues, "And look at this. Here's another miracle. My car is completely demolished but this bottle of Manischewitz wine didn't break. Surely God wants us to drink from this fine bottle of wine and celebrate our good fortune." Then he hands the bottle to the priest. The priest agrees, takes a long pull, and hands the bottle back to the rabbi. The rabbi takes the bottle, puts the cap on, and hands it back to the priest. The priest asks, "Aren't you having any?" The rabbi replies, "No...I think I'll wait for the police."

(Soon to be deleted too...) My point is... Hyperbole is relatively easy to circumvent in a reasoned discussion. With some thought, the main points of an argument can be separated from it. Emotional, reactionary responses don't allow for that and stall the process of argumentation, making it a pointless exercise. You choose to debate Pope and then you resort to such tactics when things get tough. If he avoids your points, repeat them.

Your emotional, reactionary responses seem to be defensive posturing aimed at what you don't feel you can successfully counter with a thoughtful reasoning process. Unfortunately it short circuits the dialogue and not much is acheived in the end.

Resorting to name calling in response to a cogent argument doesn't help your cause. It lessens your credibility by insinuating you have no lucid response. In other words, your opponent prevails.

Without knowing your skill level/experience, I'd suggest for your first time go to 3 O'Clock Rock. There are stellar routes there, with minimal commitment, at a variety of difficulties. You can get a good look at Exfoliation Dome from there to see what sort of experience you will have if/when you go there. Silent Running, Under the Boardwalk/Kone, and Cornucopia are three I suggest as openers. Have fun. It is truly a unique and enjoyable place.

I see a resemblance.

In reality, "Marvin" is the name given to the benign growth on Jeb Bush's right shoulder.

Percy Shelley was a neurotic hack. His second wife, on the other hand...

The fence is easy to get around and there is no posting (that I have seen) that says you can't be there.

I take my kids there for toproping all the time. There are some fairly hard problems for adults too.

Love, exciting and new Come Aboard. We're expecting you. Love, life's sweetest reward. Let it flow, it floats back to you. Love Boat soon will be making another run The Love Boat promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure, Your mind on a new romance. Love won't hurt anymore It's an open smile on a friendly shore. Yes Looooooove! It's Looooooove!

There are some cool looking buttresses and even a small spire on the north side...

Every culture has extremists...

No... shit like that does happen everywhere.

Joe Biden? Evan Bayh? Wesley Clark? George Pataki? Chuck Hagel? Rick Santorum?

Sounds like a lot of Leavenworth climbing.

It seemed an ordinary enough gas station. Being in Oregon, however, we weren’t allowed to pump our own gas. "Do you need some gas?" I told the guy to fill it and went to the attached store to get a soda. The store turned out to be a cheesy gift shop so we went back to the car. I immediately noticed that our friendly attendant hadn’t even put the nozzle in my car yet. He finished the windshield and said, “Thirteen dollars.” Incredulous, I handed him my plastic and made a bee-line for the cab as he headed into the store. I checked my gas gauge and sure enough, it registered an empty tank. The attendant came back and handed me the credit slip on a clipboard. I again asked him if he had put the gas in yet. “Yeah.” I showed him the gas gauge. With a blank face he went back and started pumping gas into my car. The gauge immediately began moving. He looked at it to be sure, said, “Yep.” and went back to filling my tank. He brought me a new credit slip. Robert had previously asked him for an Oregon map. It was on the credit slip. I asked Robert if he had got it yet. He hadn’t. The attendant went back and got us the map, returning with a stoned idiot grin on his face. Getting out of the car at the store across the street, I noticed the gas filler door was open. Upon closer inspection, I saw the gas cap was missing. Shaking my head as I went, I walked back across the street and found the gas cap sitting on the pump. As I picked it up, the same attendant walked up and asked if I needed some gas.

Hammer [Groucho Marx]: ... Now here is a little peninsula, and here is a viaduct leading over to the mainland. Chico: Why a duck? Hammer: I'm all right. How are you? I say here is a little peninsula, and here's a viaduct leading over to the mainland. Chico: All right. Why a duck? Hammer: I'm not playing Ask-Me-Another. I say, that's a viaduct. Chico: All right. Why a duck? Why a--- why a duck? Why-a-no-chicken? Hammer: I don't know why-a-no-chicken. I'm a stranger here myself. All I know is that it's a viaduct. You try to cross over there a chicken, and you'll find out why a duck. It's deep water, that's viaduct. Chico: That's-why-a-duck? Hammer: Look ... Suppose you were out horseback riding and you came to that stream and wanted to ford over there, you couldn't make it. Too deep. Chico: But what do you want with a Ford when you gotta horse? Hammer: Well, I'm sorry the matter even came up. All I know is that it's a viaduct. Chico: Now look ... all righta ... I catcha on to why-a-horse, why-a-chicken, why-a-this, why-a-that. I no catch on to why-a-duck. Hammer: I was only fooling. I was only fooling. They're going to build a tunnel in the morning. Now, is that clear to you? Chico: Yes. Everything---excepta why a duck.

STFU Sorry, I couldn't resist... Seriously, do you mean like ATC, HVS, NBD?