Peter_Puget

Darn the risk level is what I was wondering about. It sounds like a fun route! I say a trip next June is in order! Maybe I'll post aquery on the Supertopo site. And since we are chatting about Yosemite don't forget the Cathedral Apron. A bit steeper than the GP Apron but some good smears noentheless! Scary too!

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Gotta call BS on this one Sexy. Rich has contributed much to the local community. In the form of discounts and direct contributions, encouragement - including to ole Petey here himself.I have nothing against the Stone Gardens but the fond feelings I have toward Rich and the VC for service to the community and caring about climbing and people keeps me loyal to his venture. So go to the cheaper club. Personally as a long time VW member I like the fact that the rate is high enough to discourage daily drops ins that do not provide consistent cash flow and cause over crowding at peak times. Rich is definitely thinking of his membership! Whatever your personal beef with Rich you should know that others have the opposite experience. PP

Hey guys do you think that the VW is big business? That Rich and any other investors are sitting back and getting rich off undeserved income? Rich and any investors took a big risk in starting the VC all those years ago and have made a beneficial contribution to NW climbing. I know Rich has spent countless hours turning it into a success. There is no way this free day will earn the VW a windfall profit. It may even end up costing them a tad bit. To say something is a bit unseemly and to say that the motivations behind it are nothing more than crass commercialism are two completely different things. I say both Rich and the VW I have spent hours there as have many climbers (both trad and sport and some that only climb indoors!) It is a great place to meet new friends and hang out with old ones. Sometimes it's crowded and at those times I just turn around and leave but at 6am there is no better place to get a climbing workout in January!

The 9/11 thing does seem a bit unseemly. But SC just how does $15/day make Rich rich? Please expose his motivations to the masses.

You're correct all shows are crap ...compared to the Anna Nicole Show! Just read these reviews - "Sheer genius" - Vincent Canby NYT, "If she was named Mickey the show would be purrfect" - Dwayner, If you've one once of weakness, Anna will find it" - Pope "A day without Anna is like a day without sunshine" - Anita Bryant "I am a believer" - Off White PP [ 09-05-2002, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

Dwayner - Again it is up to me to expose the truth Witness the man revealed: To learn more: Dwayners Hero

TV will always be your friend. Plus it's great entertainment.

Mitch you are the true wanker. Gratuitously slamming Scott. What's up with that? Check out his site. (NWOG.org) He climbs a whole lot more than virtually everyone on this site and has been becoming a better climber every week. He is helping to organize a work project at Index and contributes to this site in a positive way. I say all hail Scotty and piss on you! PP

LG here's a revised list of slightly harder climbs: Squamish - Dream Symphony 11b Fun route if I remember correctly. Magic Carpet Ride only if those darn bolts have been upgraded. If I remember correctly there were some of those alum. pop can hangers on 1/4" scary many years ago. Of course Good Girls 10D is fun as well. There is also a climb just to the left of Unfinished Symphony that was fun as well. Only been to Squamish once since late 80's so I bet there are lots of new ones. I also remember Slipping Clutch as being good but I think Dru said once it was overgrown. Popeye & Raven is a cool one too. Maybe some wouldn't consider it a slab though. Darrington - One nice route not mentioned is Tidbitys but the bolts may be old and rusty. Mattp - any info on this guy? A bit steeper and to the left is Masters of the Universe Index - Newest Industry and 10% shield pitch Leavenworth - I second Off White's comment regarding Goat Dome lots of fun climbs plus since many routes share anchors, it is easy to TR harder ones than you might feel like leading. One thing I remember is that some of the bolts are in goofy spots so on a hot day a few clips might be harder than they should be. (that is: you have to make a smear move off a good ledge to clip a bolt) Off is alos right about the GP Apron being really neat. Off - What about that really long new moderate route on the Apron. Do you know anyone who has climbed it? Valhalla? Ah another stonemaster! PP [ 09-05-2002, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

YO! This is a happy thread. No thumbs down allowed.

I crux on everything - I am an all around climber!

Dru - yea but I remember it as a slab!

Ah just figured out you wanted the climbs no easier than...how hard do you want?

Ok I am bored so here is a list: Leavenworth - Pocketmeister, Routes on Secret Dome. Static Point - The better routes are to the right side. Shock Treatment is a great route. All are a bit more runout than your reference route. And they are much less featured as are most of the slab routes I can think of. Plus this is a very pretty area. Index - Racer X, the route left of Newest Industry, End Run and Steel Pulse. The Zipper isn't bolted slab but still slabby. Squamish - More than you can shake a stick at. Slabs rule at Squamish. Centerfold is fun. Darrington - the Kone Route. PP

Very true...but sometimes dreaming of those priceless things is what gets us thru the turgid miasma of our day to day lives.

I was thinking of bidding! It would be for the public good you know!

How about we bid for dates?!?!?! Proceeds go to the Access Fund! Combines the best of a dating service and a public service. Allison......

Out on business and much to my surpise when I return more has happened on One Live to Live than on CC.com! So I thought I'd just say that Nels Cline has usurped Fela's place as leader of the world. As honorable subjects go out and buy Interstellar Space Revisited. Oh and forget all that Mike Watt wimpy stuff! PP

Not to get MM riled up but I have seen small guides to the area. Photcopy jobs. And I think one was available at a sport shop somewhere at one time. PP

Reading books describing early climbing expeditions one can sense that the French rejected rationalism behaved more like empiricists, while the British rejected empiricism and acted like rationalists. The American of course were pragmatists. Dwayner, have you noticed this same "phenomenon" with regard to other types of adventures? Does this say anything about climbers?

quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: P.P. says: "To judge how or what someone elses experience should/will be is simply the act of a real rock nazi." Baloney. Judging (an opinion - ideational) vs. acting? (phenomenological)? Are you sure you meant "phenomenological." I think not! So until you either fully explain exactly what you mean by the (mis)use of this term I must call BALONEY on you! PP [ 08-27-2002, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

WHat do you want to do?

quote: Originally posted by JayB: [QB]I think I'm with you there mostly, but issues surrounding retrobolting existing lines and/or bolting are separate from the issues under disucssion at the moment.[QB] I mentioned Cookie Monster specifically to seperate the issues. I wanted to indicate that I was more concerned with what would be considered not overly bolted sport routes. The problem I see with too many sport routes isn't that there are a few too many bolts and that a particular sport area will have access problems but rather a sport area ( eg Exit 38 - various crags, Freeway Gun Show 18 bolts in 120 ft.) might be seen as the inevitable consequence of climbing. As such climbing possibilities at future and or less developed areas might be restricted. Sport climbing rocks and as a believer in the future discovery of many new areas I would hate to see development restricted because of unrestricted development at existing crags. PP [ 08-27-2002, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

JayB/Pope - Pope's assertion was hardly mean to be taken seriously and to the extent he was "projecting" and I don't mean that in a sport climbing sense he was the one being narcissistic. To judge how or what someone elses experience should/will be is simply the act of a real rock nazi. Had Pope in fact gone to Yosemite he would be quick to respond to you that Yosemite has in fact become very "sport" friendly. There is even a sport climbing guide to the Valley available for those who coudl care less about trad climbing. Last time I was at the Cookie it was amazing how many sport routes had been squeezed in. Here is where Pope's talk about distance falls apart for me and his rock nazi ssspewing counter productive. Some of these routes had been climbed with gear before (ie Cookie Monster) others would be considered legit bolt jobs. Ie the bolts aren't too close together but their simple existence to me is an aesthetic afront. Better they be top ropes than "sporty" sport climbs. PP