Peter_Puget

Anyword on when Fish is going to be selling the Russian Aiders? PP

I think that this contains the seeds a much more significant explanation for people such as Mr. Atta than merely saying Holy War: T Sowell summarizing a portion of Eric Hoffer’s book The True Believer Contrary to the prevailing assumptions of his time, Eric Hoffer did not believe that revolutionary movements were based on the sufferings of the downtrodden. "Where people toil from sunrise to sunset for a bare living, they nurse no grievances and dream no dreams," he said. He had spent years living among such people and being one of them. Hoffer's insights may help explain something that many of us have found very puzzling -- the offspring of wealthy families spending their lives and their inherited money backing radical movements. He said: "Unlimited opportunities can be as potent a cause of frustration as a paucity or lack of opportunities." What can people with inherited fortunes do that is at all commensurate with their unlimited opportunities, much less what their parents or grandparents did to create the fortune in the first place, starting from far fewer opportunities? Like the frustrated artists and failed intellectuals who turn to mass movements for fulfillment, rich heirs cannot win the game of comparison of individual achievements. So they must change the game. As zealots for radical movements, they often attack the very things that made their own good fortune possible, as well as undermining the freedom and well-being of other people. PP

Speaking of dogs.... PP

Did mom visit?

Heck ya! I can't believe it took this long for someone to respond!

TLG - He wasn't a liar he was role playing. Set the ground rule before yu play! See you at the Wet Spot friday. PP

I don'twant to explore it if it sucks. A Catch-22 situation but I'll send you the directions if you want. Scotty should know about this area I think it was developed by Cascade Crag guys. PP

Unbelievable! PP

As originally defined class was only loosely alligned with difficulty and was specifically defined with manner of climbing. (ie how belays were set up, when hand holds stated to be used) Consequences of a fall can be deadly anywhere. The clearest example of this is some of the trails in Zion National Park. In many places a slip on one of these trails would result in a huge fall and certain death. Yet this would still be class 2. When first created all 5th class routes were rated merely "5th class" There was no distinction between 5.0 and 5.8, for example.

4th class also assumed the use of ropes but no protection being placed. Third class assumed no ropes at all. Thus the expression “I third-classed Butterballs” means I climbed it w/o ropes. Less common is the phrase “4th classed” but if something was runout especially at the top of a climb it is often just called 4th class. PP

Nope, but that crag has several good routes on it. (if you mena the wall by then old mine) 3-5 pitches. Pain to get to now. Plus it is granite Calender crag isn't.

No secret pic. Haven't been to it but I do have a copy of the guide. Location: south of Darrington north of Index. Sounds close to the center of the universe to me. Have fun in Calif. Hey I never hear anyone talk about thi srout ebut I had fun on table of contents

Anyone been there? Has it bene developed since the "mini" guide was published? Is it worth a trip? PP

P-Gates Rule! Plus West Buttress was freed! PP

Sounds like a good weekend. Many years ago I made the same hike with my little ones. I remember because someone hiked up with a big dog and my oldest exclaimed, “look Dad a horse.” Baring looks cool but that approach? - I’d rather fly to Yosemite. Damn! TLG I think I am falling you! But I could never compete with RumR (or anybody for that matter) BTW Erik I am way FAT! Peter

Thrashed my way to a cliff (imagine a hideous jungle) The cliff made Amazonia look like El Cap. Rapped off. Went home; had a beer.

…acording to Peter Puget There is more talk about BBQs than climbing on this site! What did everyone do last weekend? Epics? Adventures? I was dragged to a really crappy crag. As a result I am applying the “3 strikes you’re out” rule to my goofy partner who wouldn’t know choss from perfection if they were staring him in the face. Of course Erik is the obvious exception to the rule! PP

Erik they have free climbed all but the Nipple Pitch but claim that will go at 13d/14a. 1st 5 pitches are variations. PP

Erik that's pretty close to Alpine climbing watch out! PP

Saturday morning the Huber bros. did the route in 2:32. PP

There are some larger cliffs but the stuff were on was all small probably one reason we didn't see evidence of other climbers. We spent only one hour in the am looking for cliffs and after seeing the cool rock at this crag we stopped looking and started climbing. As you can tell by the pics we were TR'ing. We had a drill and placed some anchors but after starting bolting a route thought that TR'ing was were it was at at this cliff. PP

The pics are from just north of Spokane. Right outside Kettle Falls. Is it worth a drive? Depends on how much you like exploring. For me it is a blast and definately worth the drive. There are established areas over there. Marty Bland has written a really good guidebook to them. He also has a website. So spend a day exploring and one climbing. PP This picture shows the low angle section of the cliff.

Private? I have made several posts regarding the fine service I received at Shoreline. Were they all inappropriate sharing of a private matter? Years ago I ordered from Mtn tools and always had fine service. Several months ago when someone was complaining about not being able to return merch to Feathered Friends I wrote to several online companies asking the following question as a test: If I purchased a helmet and it was thew wrong size could I return it? Most responded directly. Mtn Tools did not. Their response was let us help you decide and you won’t have the problem to begin with. I took that to be a sideways manner of saying no I couldn’t return the helmet. I decided not to make my purchase with Mtn Tools PP

North of Spokane there are formations like this and better than this all over the area. The drive from Seattle is no longer than Smith. This cliff was visible from the main highway and a flat 100yd walk off a secondary road. The entire cliff was about ¼ mile wide and of varying height. About half was overhanging the rest slightly less than vertical with some bulges. PP

You’re pretty close on your guess EriK. Oh wait, this is Sweet Renton Limestone. The real question is why everyone isn’t going nuts about it. Check it out! It isn’t that funky Utah stuff this stuff is straight from Verdon Gorge! Where is DFA when you need him? There is lots of this stuff out nearby. PP