Lambone

quote: Originally posted by Jeff Savoie: Do you kiss your mother with that dirty mouth? As for "poor MATTB" didn't he ask for people's opinion on the subject, and what are you his big brother or something? You started with the trash talkin, I just picked up where you left off. No we ain't brothers, but us Matt's gotta stick together. personaly I could careless about REI and their return policy. Be careful Jeff, once Caveman knows who you are he'll be hunting you down soon enough. Some companies, good ones, claim that their warranty if for the lifetime of the owner, not the product. The North Face used to when I worked for them in the early 90's.

quote: Originally posted by sisu suomi: Give me a fucking break, fix the shit yourself you lazy fucking ass hole. I stopped in at REI in Utah in 96 on a road trip to get a bike rack. I was installing it in their parking lot. While doing so an employee came out to see if I was having any trouble. While there he looked at my Yakama box and told me to take it off and bring it in for a replacement as it was defective. This blew me away because as far as I knew it was OK. I asked him if he was sure. He looked at some production numbers and said, "Yep, take it off and I'll get you a new box." No need to rip off the system when it functions like that. Harsh dude, take it easy there... Yakima most likely did a recall on you box. I'm not sure what it was, but it could have been some kind of public saftey issue. As in they don't want your box to fly off the top of the car, or open up at 70 miles an hour dumping your shit all over the highway. Either way I'm sure the box was sent back to yakima and they most likely reused the materials, it ain't like REI just chucked it in the dumpster. Ever look at the tags on the stuff you buy? Notice the little fine print that says LIFETIME WARRANTY on materials and craftsmanship an so on and so forth...??? Companies do not normally cover normal wear and tear, and REI shouldn't either, but LIFETIME means for the lifetime of the owner, not the lifetime of the product. It shouldn't matter if the product is 10 years old, or forty years old. I think the difference that we are arguing over here is that if you send an old pair of gloves back to the company with blown out stitching, they will most likely repair them for free and send them back and make you pay for shipping, (depending on the warranty departments assesment of the item). REI seems to just give you a new one no questions asked. Since I try not to buy shit there anyway, I don't mind scaming their system, fuck 'em, it ain't like they are going out of buisness any time soon.

Kick ass, nice photos! And good climbin fellas! Sorry I couldn't keep the breakfast comment in...just had to share the love. I'm sure you knew it was comin!

quote: Originally posted by Jeff Savoie: Maybe the reason REI's prices are high is because LAZY people like you just let REI, a place in which you are probably a member, replace or repair your admittedly worn out old gear. And then you have the NERVE to infer that because the guy/girl (probably my friend) has doubts about the validity of your claim they are idiots, no I think you are an IDIOT for abusing the spirit of the return policy. When my gear legitamately wears out I, being the one who wore it out, go out and earn the money to replace it, instead of making the other members and myself pay for it little by little. Personally I'm tired of buying guys like you new gear, with a surcharge on what I purchase. My divedend would be alot larger without these kind of abuses to the system!!! Jeff Oh whatever...listen to this guy, "the spirit of the return policy" gimme a fuckin break. Not only are you a dumb ass, but you're also an asshole. First, REI's prices are not higher than anyone elses prices, usualy lower because they buy gear from vendors in such large quantities. No one charges more than a brands specified suggested retail price that you will find in the catologue. Second, if REI's prices may be high, its cause of the ease in which little punks can walk right out the front door with gear stuffed down their pants. I'd love to know how much merchandise is lost from that store each year. You're dividends would be even higher if they'd hire people to watch the many exits that place has. But we all know that they won't even spend the money on keeping the place staffed with knowledgable salespeople. And finnaly, poor MATTB whom you so blatently slammed from out of nowhere has a ligitamite quality control issue here. Any stiching defects will be covered under most respectable outdoor brand's warranty policy. Although OR's policy sucks, but then why would anyone want new OR mits anyway... I've worked retail for over ten years, good brands and shops back up the life of their products, especialy stitching issues. As for you, why don't you just crawl back in your hole and attack people on some other web site...freakin REI lovin'lurker. As for the yuppies who return a gor-tex coat because the color has gone out of style...they can suck it. They probably poor radiator fluid down the gutter, and spray tons of chemicals all over their lawns as well. [ 02-25-2002: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Yeah, keep 'em comin suckers...

The gym is the only place to learn anything about how to rock climb and mountaineer safely.

don't team up with erik, he's sketchy... You can use lots of different stuff to set up top ropes. Get John Longs book "Anchors," he lays out several different scenarios depending on the anchor types available. One thing I'll mention: Do not TR straight through the links on chain anchors. This just puts needless wear on them, causing them to become thin and sketchy, needing replacement(just like erik). Use your own gear instead. Have fun, be safe. Note the recent accident report, this kinda shit happens. Oh yeah, be carefull(ie. don't do it) about setting up TR's where loose rock might be knocked down on people below. This includes lots of crags near North Bend and Vantage. Better to just politely ask other climbers to lead up and set up the TR for you. Many folks would be more than happy to do this. [ 02-25-2002: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Gloves, since I tend to burn though a pair each season. Or lose one of them

Is that a shot of cavey and mike?

12 hours of driving for one day of ice climbing...now thats some dedication!

Its called a troll, two bad its so easy to see right through his hook, otherwise it might be entertaining. As it stands caveman is putting me to

I think that's caveman practicing for my house. Too bad he'll never be able to get his truck out of the impound....

Yet another disadvantage of those android leashes. I have a love hate relationship with them....

Caveman doesn't get my dry, often subtle and sarcastic attempts at humor. So he thinks I'm just an arrogant punk, and he hates me because I have the power to erase the spray he posts in my ice threads. Personally I don't get cavemans humor either, but I've never threatened him because of it. The only spray I've ever erased was shit directed towards me; we told him we'd erase evil posts that had nothing to do with ice climbing, and thats what I did. I think that he's getting a big laugh because he thinks that I am sitting at home quivering and having nightmares that he is going to come kick my ass or something. The funny thing is that we have never met in person, which just goes to show that caveman permenantly lives in some kind of cyber reality. You don't know me cavey, you only know my inernet alter ego...so give it up and lets put back some beers sometime. Peace [ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Just curious...does anyone else think that i am provoking this...besides ray?

Kim is such a badass... [ 02-21-2002: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Mike, I'm not much into political debates, but that shit on powdermag.whatever was pretty funny. Maybe caveman should start fucking with those guys...

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quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: I suggest something better than fist fighting which I know I can do. I had over a hundred fights growing up as an amateur boxer, and many more fighting mexicans where I grew up so I'm over it. Why don't we compete against one another in the Snoqualmie Pass Randonee Rally for bragging rights ladies. That we we'll all go home with sore muscles instead of broken bones which would prevent us from climbing this summer. Right on, is it cool if I use my teles?

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I dont need a judge by cc.com to decide if I hate you because I do. Die Die Die Who is the cc.com judge. Maybe you should get judge judy...

quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: I'm not a trust funder Lambone. Now you better watch it, and don't dig yourself a whole cause I'm not nice like my buddies are. I'm really dissappointed with that comeback. Where did you learn to flip shit?

Cool, we can rally phil too..

Who is muller?

I though those were called trust funds...