hollyclimber

My attorney took me climbing...didn't charge me either!

always climbing on WEDNESDAY mornings...thats a good life alright

UBB allows pictures on profiles too.... Cavey, you'll just have to come to pub club to meet me. One of these is me...I won't admit which though... http://www.ryansasser.org/photos/Tree%20and%20Bari/holly%20and%20bari%20lie%20low.JPG [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 08-03-2001).]

Sunglasses, what sunglasses? http://www.ryansasser.org/photos/FamilyReunion2001/P7140025.JPG [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 08-03-2001).]

So, there is a function of the Ultimate Bulletin Board (the software that is used to run cc.com) that allows us to rate each other. Should we ask the Mountain Dudes to enable it? [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 08-03-2001).]

Awh Cavey, you are making me work! Seriously, I called the main number, and they couldn't answer the question! So, they give me another number, which is just a bunch of vm baloney. 2 calls later, it turns out that no dogs are allowed. That's what I expected, but sometimes I am surprised.

Any of you recent climbers notice if dogs were allowed? Yes, I am lazy and haven't checked. Just curious...

what I want to know is that why is it that only the Euro's get to buy the FLY in green? I think green is way cooler than black, what do you think Cavey? Don't you think the green FLY would climb a lot better?

Carolyn: I suggest (in finding a "safe" person) that you consider hiring a guide if your class doesn't happen. Not that its the only way to go, but since you were planning on spending some money on instruction anyway, it might not be a bad investment. I have never hired a guide in this area, but there are plenty around. Mountain Madness is a big commercial outfit, but they might be one place to look. At least with a guide you don't have to be worried about some wierdo that you don't know freaking out on you. Most climbers are cool, but its always a risk to climb with someone you don't know and this is the time in your training when you want to be sure you are learning things in a safe manner. Good luck! And, I think Dragontail is popular, but not like the big volcanos. It takes a permit, but they do give some on a walk in basis. Holly [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 07-31-2001).]

I think you should reconsider... "Accidents" is a great way for us to learn from each others mistakes. I myself had a fall that was longer than it should be due to the adjustable aiders. And, people need to think about their placements. I know you will think about yours differently now, right? This is coming from me who will be in "Accidents" next year, and since my accident was in a national park I don't have a choice. My choice is to write my own essay, so that at least I can describe my accident in my own words. Its easy to submit your report. The info is in the front of the current book. Hope you are healing well! Its hard to be out of the game. Hope you are back climbing soon.

Or maybe even an orthopaedist? Your primary care doc should probably be able to recommend you to the type of doctor, then all of us injured can tell you if we like ours! I really like my orthopaedist, Dr Charles Peterson II at Seattle Orthopaedic and Fracture Clinic. He is really smart, which is what I like in a doctor. hgb

Back from a climbing trip, have to throw myself into this fray... 5.9 at Little Si? I can only think of 2 5.9 routes there, one is an ok warm up (Reptiles) and one sucks (some devil name or something). If that is what you climb at Little Si, how can you like it so much? Just seems wierd to me. Not where I go if I want to climb 5.9 Ok...now I go back and read some things and maybe office space was joking? [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 07-25-2001).]

Read this post here, http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000031.html And then read this here (have to paste this in as of today rather then give the link, since eventually this will be true) MT RAINIER CURRENT CLIMBING CONDITIONS FROM THE MT RAINIER PARK SITE Emmons-Winthrop Glacier is in good shape though not at all direct. There are a few small icy patches that require care. The "Corridor" on the Emmons is unusually broken up with crevasses. Above the "Corridor" the route veers sharply right all the way to the Winthrop Glacier and then moves along to the summit close to saddle between Liberty Cap and the Summit. Slots will continue to open with the warmer weather, continually altering the route. And you will see that it is true that at a minimum, even the Mt Rainier rangers exaggerate sometimes. If you call them, they really give a tough story on the Emmons, according to our fellow cc.com'ers, its not true.

The caveman climbs at Exit 38?

freeclimb9: Is Teewinot fun? If so I would like to do it...

I guess I am not really that concerned about Parvo because all dogs are vaccinated against it. Most people vaccinate their dogs. I know my dog will not be giving parvo to anyone or anything else. [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 07-05-2001).]

Yes...if you talk to Mike at all I would like to hear his thoughts. I assume that he or climbers he know have downclimbed the route or he wouldn't have said to do that. Did you find a good place to camp around 9k or higher?

Yeah, I know that dog TJ. He does the same thing at Little Si. He stands really close to the edge, then he purposefully trundles a rock over, then he watches it all the way down. Then, he does it again! TJ was the first dog that I ever saw with a pack on, so the good thing is I can credit him with inspiration to get a packing dog. (TJ carries the rope...thats pretty appealing!).

Everyone has really great ideas...sounds like Irene's Arete is something we should do on our way in for sure. I understand what David is saying...its a lot easier to do things in a day when you are familiar with the mtn. We have been into Garnet Canyon to do the Middle and the South, but we have never been up to the lower saddle or farther on the Grand. Right now I am leaning towards going in and doing Irene's, then doing the Grand the next day and going out. All depending on weather of course. I am hoping that leaves us enough time and weather to do CMC on Mt Moran before we have to come home. Anyway, we aren't leaving until next Tuesday, so I'll still be checking out what everyone has to say until then. Thanks

Did you run into Mike Gauthier? He is the only person that I have ever heard recommend downclimbing that route, and because people don't try to climb it much, I haven't found anyone to ask about it. I was told by some White River climbing rangers about 3 years ago that it was definitely a carryover. The Longmire rangers gave me a really hard time last year when I went to climb it. When we didn't make it they were actually glad for us! They said that they were glad we didn't have to go through that mess, or something like that. So, would you consider the route again, in better conditions? I was actually bummed to hear that it was melted out already, but I guess I had already decided not to try it this year. What are your thoughts about downclimbing it when it is in top shape? My problem last year was that we were slow getting to Pyramid and I had to be back at a certain time, and I just didn't know if I could carryover and finish it on time. If I thought that I wasn't going to carryover, it could convince me to go back. I'd like to do the route, but it is such a haul. Getting out of the carryover might make all the difference to me.

I don't know...you can train dogs to get used to a lot of things. I think I might try these. If I buy them now and get Dagen used to them slowly, with lots of food given whenever the goggles are around, it might work. I'll let you guys know how it goes. I have asked my vet about these things, (altitude, snowblindness and sunburn) and they all seem pretty clueless about it (I have asked 3 vets). Most people, including the vets, don't do this kind of stuff with their dogs I guess.

Lambone...when are you going up there? I might do it on Sunday. Definitely doing it next Tuesday, whether I do it this Sunday or not. Let us know how it goes. I understood that we had to do the pend., so now I am curious to see about climbing to the roof instead, if I can talk my partner into it. Does any one else have a thought on whether or not the last pitch is really that lame? [This message has been edited by hollyclimber (edited 07-02-2001).]

OK: So we are heading out to check out the Grand in about 2 weeks. We were up there last year to do the Middle and the South and we are very excited to go back. The question: What routes have you enjoyed. How about a one day ascent? I had this recommended to me and the idea was that it could easily be done car to car in 12 hours, starting maybe around 2 am for the easy trails at the beginning. Now I have heard of Nancy Feagin doing it in a day, but I never thought a mere mortal woman like me could do it. We are also looking at the CMC route on Moran as a follow up.

Dan: Why don't you climb something else?! Why the obsession with Rainier. In my own humble climbing experience, other mountains can be, and for me were, much harder to climb. Get out there on a route with less people and no boot track and have some fun. Or at least climb BEFORE RMI on their boottrack. You have expressed interest in Glacier Peak...I highly recommend it. Nice long Cascade style approach, nice summit.

i think that if I had a perfectly flat chest like Bobbi did before the surgery, and I had the dough sitting around to do it, I would. But, I don't think I would have taken it to the extreme. I guess if you are going under the knife, go for your dreams, but I think my dream would be to be "normal" and she chose something pretty flashy. But, now Bobbi has created an interesting topic for us. It seems like to me that its been so long since she did this I wouldn't even think of it...I wonder what brought this subject to Pope's mind...