Jman

I meant to add my congrats, too. Olympus has been one of my dreams... maybe next year. I would agree that you did a good thing in carrying your climbing boots. More than one of my trips has been ruined by blisters and exhaustion from long approaches in stiff heavy boots that could have easily been done wearing shoes - wise choice.

OW! MY EARS!! er, eyes. WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE STOP YELLING!!!!!

Want to climb today? YES!!!! CAN I climb today? no :-(

Andy Selters "Glacier Travel and Crevasse Rescue": When walking on glacier, stay roped together. Someone falls in crevasse, pull him out. Nelson and Potterfield "Selected Climbs": Look for the route, it will be tough. Views are great. It will take a long time. [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 06-29-2001).]

With pizza? Broken Rake.

With chips and salsa? Pacifico or Dos Eqis/XX (sp?) After a hot day and working really hard? Pyramid Hefe. On a cold winter day warming up next to a fire? Winterhook.

I would have to agree on Eeries' choice. They do make an awesome burger - hands down... if you have the time to wait an hour for it.

There's always Zeke's on Hwy 2.

There's always Zeke's on Hwy 2.

Anyone own a pair? Heard any likes or dislikes? I was considering buying a pair - the stretch-woven fabric seems like an interesting idea for gloves... since my Marmot gloves get soaked everytime I venture onto snow. (perhaps I should get off all fours, eh?)

Dan, you sound a nice, friendly and even-tempered kind of guy I could stake my life on. Maybe we can be "partners" and "climb" together. We all know names never hurt anyone... but what was it about sticks? er, rocks? Oh yeah, stones...

My TCY's seem to put a lot of pressure on the front of my ankles where the boots flex. It's unnoticeable when climbing but particularly painful when decending. My climbing partner has the same problem with his. Anyone else experience this with their TCY's? Any advice/solutions to this?

To The Top, I'm interested in how you do with acclimatization? Are you just not affected very much by elevation? Your hiking time is outstanding! How would you gage your level of fitness? - it seems that you would have to be in world class shape. I'm not sure everyone could pull this off, even with negligable weight in their pack.

Yeah, well, you know I've had enough practice in chat rooms - everyone hiding behind an alias, no one ever speaking truth. Does kind of sound like politics, eh? It seems the best way to get people to talk about anything here is to "offend" them, get their emotions to fire up their fingers. People feel strongest about their own feelings, not necessarily the subject. A few certain individuals here certainly have the "gift to offend" and what's great about it is that you'll never really know whether they mean what they say or not. I suppose we all secretly enjoy pushing each other's buttons... [insert evil cackling]

Bronco, see my inadvertant thread under 'removing spray'. I feel your pain. However, the information was interesting...

You know, this site kind of reminds me of my math class in high school: many bright individuals with eccentric senses of humor. It was endless fun while accomplishing/learning a little something. I have to admit, some of things you people write are hysterical. Never lose the humor, folks! Just keep the bashing to a minimum and your posts related to the topic... [what does math class have to do with climbing, you drivelling idiot?!] See how easy it is?

LOL. I know... ain't it funny? Ok, Jon and Tim, here's a perfect example! Since this will result in further spray, send this topic to "Spray" to prevent the non-spray topics from becoming sprayed since the non-sprayers don't wish to read spray because it's now become spray. ...ok, yeah, got it. Cool analogy, Dru. I like it. I feel better now. (no sarcasm either... really) [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 06-11-2001).]

Nah, don't even bother trying to remove what's already there! Maybe just keep an eye on where the threads are leading and then actually MOVE them to "Spray". Thanks!

Ha! Just messin' with y'all. Somehow I knew somebody just HHHHHAAAAAAAADD to respond. Sometimes I get a kick out of the crap. But honestly, it does get kind of tiresome. [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 06-11-2001).]

We hit the summit on 5/26 with perfect weather and excellent snow conditions - well consolidated. No need for crampons, axe was helpful (but I ended up using my poles most of the time) and only 1 of the 6-or-so parties that day roped up. The route was well tracked, but with the continued warm weather, other side of Lone Tree won't remain snow-covered for too much longer (maybe another few weeks). Not sure whether there is a path under the snow from LT down to the lake or not - rather steep. The summit log was almost full (only 3 lines left). We were the last party on Saturday, so anyone to follow will have to "squeeze" their names in until the Mountaineers get a new log up there. Have fun!!! [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 05-31-2001).]

If you decide on the Camp Startech or Petzl Erin Roc, check out Mountain Equipment Co-op in Vancouver. They have 'em for pretty cheap. $75 Can ($47.63 US) and $90 Can ($57.15 US) respectively. However, the cost in gas may not be worth the trip and they don't ship climbing products outside of Canada. Here's their link: http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2009

Has anyone had any experience with the Conduit SL Bivy or the Micro Mesh Bivy? Price is decent, but how's the durablility, performance, waterproofness, etc? If you like either one, where's the best place to purchase? Any info would be appreciated.

I would have to agree with the above. Arc'Teryx Beta LT's rock! Most comfortable pant ever, light weight, and very tough material. Excellent quality worksmanship. I've thrashed on mine and they still look beautiful every time I pull 'em out of the wash (be sure to use Revivex for a nice waterproof finish). I love the waterproof zips - saves on weight and excess material. Internal gaitor are nice - eliminates the need to carry or wear gaitors. The suspenders are perfect - keeps the pants up without interfering with pack or ever even feeling them. Ergonomic cut can't be beat. I had originally owned TNF Mid-Triple... what a suck pair of pants. Basically a very expensive logo on a cookie-cutter, ill-fitting cheap material pant. I took em back and bought the Beta LT's. Arc'Teryx makes the best clothes - hand down! If you can afford it, they're worth every penny. In regards to bibs vs. pants: the TNF pants that I owned constantly fell down. The cinch on them never worked very well - by the time you have them tight enough to stay up, you can't breathe. Any bending over always made them fall in the back. And wearing a pack constantly pushed them down too. The "half-bibs" (like the Beta LT) are the only way to go. High enough in the back to keep snow/rain out, yet short enough not to be full-on bibs - less material saves weight and breathes better. The suspenders are very low profile so you never notice them, but they sure keep the pants right where they fit best. One more thing about bibs (or half-bibs) is that you can wear a shorter jacket with them [think: Beta AR], hence saving on even more material and weight - not to mention cost, too, as longer jackets tend to be more expensive. If you do get that combo, be sure to buy the heinous "Tabasco" color. That way we won't look like twins ... unlike me and my four other hiking partners who are all in blue. I swear we all look like "Team Arc'Teryx". [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 04-06-2001).] [This message has been edited by Jman (edited 04-06-2001).]

Jon...? Tim...? Care to move this topic to "Spray"?

I'd have to agree with MrGoodTime. The CAMP StarTech is the way to go. I have the BD HalfDome. The headlamp clips seem fine to me but after a while the chin strap and headband can become kind of uncomfortable. I think comfort is the most important (aside from safety, but that's why you're wearing one in the first place, right? And all helmets have to meet UIAA standards). So, if it's not comfortable, you'll be far less inclined to wear it. In my opinion (or maybe just my headsizd) the StarTech is the most plush. However, the headlamp clips on it are probably the flimiest. It's lightweight which is good, too. But that isn't the primary concern since most helmets don't differ in weight more than a couple of ounces. It could be the lightest helmet on the market, but, again, if it's not comfortable you won't wear it - or maybe you will and just curse it all day long. The only other thing I can think of that you might want to consider is how many times to you expect it to take blows (i.e. rockfall not collision). I'm not too sure of the technicalities on this, so someone correct me if I'm way off... Hard plastic helmets that absorb impact via head straps can sustain repeated blows, but foam helmets can be worthless after one significant blow (since the material crushes to absorb the impact rendering it useless).