Dru

quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by erik: either way! dey still reperzent da same thing... Fine, I'll only wear a non-child labor organic hemp poncho that I got on barter for a block of cheese and some churned butter on all my climbs from now on so that I can justify my above statement. Do you own a cow or are you making that dairy product out of your wifes breast milk?? Just like in "The Best Of Savage Love"

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeit, you shouldnt feel bad for being on a mountain when people were dying... there are people dying closer to you than that every day if you live near a hospital. I mean, sure, the snow cave collapsed, they died, it sucks. BUT if you do not know them or know anyone who knows them is there any real reason to get all weepy over it? Or feel guilty because you dont feel sad? Besides tears in the make the lose its fizz faster...

Power Puff Girls!!!!

I got three arcteryx gore jackets, one I got for $250 CDN, one I got for $25 CDN and one I got free... o ya i worked in shipping there

Yes.

quote: Originally posted by s__s:

Get a prybar and bust it off then go for the super Loskot dyno.

The addiction... the similarity to crack habit... the social withdrawal... this is about online gamin but the similarity to cc.com is real. Yeah Im talking to you, addicts!!! 'Worse than any junkie' Woman blames son's suicide on addiction to online game full image Shawn Woolley during the summer, 2001 in a family photograph. Woolley committed suicide in November, 2001. (AP/Courtesy of Liz Woolley)--> HUDSON, Wis. (AP) - His mother found Shawn Woolley's body in a rocking chair in front of his computer. His head was slumped to one side - still facing a screen of the online game that she says had become his obsession. "That damn game," Liz Woolley said to herself as she broke into tears. At Shawn's side was the .22-calibre rifle he'd used to end his life. Scattered around him, police reports say, were dirty clothes, fast-food wrappers, dozens of empty pizza boxes and chicken bones thrown haphazardly to the floor. His mother had pounded on his apartment's door and windows for two days before finally cutting through the chain lock to break in last Thanksgiving morning. The 21-year-old, who'd hastily quit his job more than a week earlier, left no suicide note in the one-bedroom apartment in Hudson, Wis., a small town east of Minneapolis. The only signs of what had been on his mind were a few scribbled names and terms related to EverQuest, the online virtual reality game he'd been playing for well over a year. Based on those and other clues, Liz Woolley suspects her son killed himself after being jilted online. But she places the blame for his death squarely on the game and its maker- Sony Online Entertainment. "Shawn was worse than any junkie I've ever seen," Liz Woolley says. "After he started playing the game, he just didn't enjoy life anymore." She believes Sony intentionally added features to Everquest to keep players online for hours at a time. Officials at Sony Online declined to comment on the Woolley case or the possibility raised by Liz Woolley that she may sue. Scott McDaniel, the company's vice-president of marketing, says the game should be viewed like any other form of entertainment. "There's a duty on the consumer to use it responsibly," McDaniel says of EverQuest. Whether online gaming - or Internet surfing for that matter - can truly be addictive is still a matter of much debate among computer and mental health experts. But whatever they name it - addiction, obsession or compulsion - those experts say a growing number of people are spending huge chunks of time on their computers at the expense of their everyday lives. The average Everquest subscriber plays about 20 hours a week. Increasingly, mental health professionals say they are getting calls from family members and online junkies themselves who find themselves neglecting friends and family, skipping school, work and even a daily shower to get more time on the computer. "I don't know if we're talking one per cent or 10 per cent or 20 per cent. But my sense is that this is a significant problem that's just really starting to show up on the radar screen," says psychologist David Walsh, president of the National Institute on Media and the Family. The Minneapolis-based nonprofit focuses on the effects of media, including the Internet, on young people and families. Experts say pornography Web sites appear to be the biggest draw. Others spend hours chatting via computer with friends or people they meet online. Still others - often teenage boys looking for an escape from the stress and awkwardness of adolescence - are pulled in by games. "It's extremely difficult to go against the tide of what, for these kids, has become popular culture," says Hilarie Cash, a licensed mental health counsellor who co-founded Internet/Computer Addiction Services in Redmond, Wash., in 1999. She is among a small number of therapists specializing in patients who have trouble reining in their computer time. David Greenfield, a psychologist in Hartford, Conn., is another. When it comes to games, he and others say EverQuest seems to be particularly difficult to resist - so much so that some call it "EverCrack." A sort of computer-driven Dungeons and Dragons, the online game has more than 430,000 registered players worldwide who form teams, or "guilds," in a never-ending journey to earn points and slay monsters. It's among the most successful ventures in a burgeoning realm, belonging to a category called Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games. Such games allow people to effectively live shadow lives, divorced from flesh-and-blood existence. And while most people keep their playing time in check, experts say there are some who can't. Pre-existing depression and anxiety may be one reason, says Alan Marlatt, director of the Addictive Behaviors Research Center at the University of Washington. Experts say peer pressure also seems to be a factor in EverQuest, since logging off may hurt a guild's chances of advancing. And even when a player does want to quit a session, they say it can take hours to stash extra protective gear and weapons earned in the game and find a hiding spot in which to "safely" log off. Sony's McDaniel says, however, that in some cases, it takes as few as 45 seconds for a player to quit. His family says the camaraderie with online friends was part of the allure for Shawn Woolley, a shy, overweight young man known for his wry sense of humour but who never had much luck dating. One former classmate described him as a geek. Others who knew him say he was sweet and sensitive but hard to get to know. A longtime epileptic, Shawn also struggled with seizures, which his mother says computer time only aggravated. After graduation, Shawn spent a semester studying graphic design at a vocational school, then dropped out. He took a job at a pizza chain but left that, too, in July 2000 and moved back with his mom. By that time, he'd started playing EverQuest - and his younger brother says its effects were already noticeable. Tony Woolley, Shawn's 14-year-old brother, says the two used to do all sorts of fun things together - "bowling, go-carts, anything." Then Shawn all but stopped hanging out with him. "I used to ask him, 'Why are you doing this? We need you here,' " Tony says. "But he never answered." Their mother recalls the time Shawn broke down and cried when another EverQuest player stole the online treasures he'd collected in the game. "Shawn, that's just a computer," she told him. "It's make-believe." Frustrated, she took his computer keyboard to work. But he bought another one. When she tried to limit his computer time, he played at night when she was sleeping. She later discovered he'd stolen her credit card number to pay his EverQuest bill, then about $60 for six months of playing time. (Sony recently raised its EverQuest rates to $12.95 US per month.) There was a glimmer of hope early last year when the county social services agency assigned Shawn a caseworker, after his mother booted him out to try and force him to get a job. He got a room in a local group home, started seeing a therapist and took medication for seizures and depression. In May 2001, he got a job at another pizza parlour. But once he started earning money, he left the group home, got his own apartment and, by August, had enough money to buy a second-hand computer. "He was an adult," his mother says. "What could I do to stop him?" As his EverQuest play increased, she says Shawn started skipping counselling appointments and medication doses and rarely answered his telephone. On Nov. 11, he quit work and holed up in his apartment, refusing visitors and phone calls. A computer log shows that he played the game almost constantly until Nov. 20, the day police think he shot himself. His mother found his body on Thanksgiving, a day she had hoped he'd shut off the computer and join the family for dinner. Shortly after, she dug into his computer files and found a list of the last few EverQuest names he'd used. Among them was the name "ILUVYOU," which he stopped using in late October. It was one of a few clues that led to her theory that he'd been hurt by an online love. Among his things, she also found a letter from a new caseworker who told him she planned to visit the Monday after Thanksgiving - a move his mother says was obviously too little, too late. "If you're an alcoholic or addicted to drugs, there's places you can go for help," she says, as a single tear runs down her face. "But there was no one there for him - no one who knew how to help." Liz Woolley just started setting up an organization called Online Gamers Anonymous and a Web site to help people like Shawn - with plans to use any money she might get from a lawsuit to help fund the organization. "I can't just sit here," she says. "I cannot let him die in vain." --- Mental health experts suggest asking the following questions to determine if you're spending too much time on the computer - playing games, surfing the Web or chatting online. If the answer to any or all is "yes," they say you may want to seek help. -Is the amount of time you spend on the computer causing problems for your family? At school? At work? -Do you repeatedly break family or work rules about when and how much computer time is allowed? -Do you ever lie about the time you spend on the computer or how you're using it? Or do you find yourself sneaking around to do it? -Do you forgo meals or bathing to spend time on the computer? -Are you spending excessive time on the computer to avoid anything (boredom, loneliness, problems)? -Do you have a pre-existing condition, such as depression or an anxiety disorder, that may be contributing to how much time you spend on the computer? -Do you throw temper tantrums when limits are imposed on your computer time? -Do you withdraw from friends, family and activities to spend time on the computer? - Sources: Alan Marlatt, director of the Addictive Behaviors Research Center at the University of Washington; and David Walsh, president of the National Institute on Media and the Family. [ 05-27-2002, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Dru ]

please refer to gaper thread re:posting during a holiday...

Bham is within driving distance for a slideshow but Im gonna be in Powell River until Thurs AM. Bummer dood I will catch it next time.

quote: Originally posted by michael_layton: How clear of snow did Backbone ridge look??? Um I think I know which one that is... the ledges on the Fin still had snow and ice on them and the lower angled section still had some snow, it was about 75 or 80% snow free, I guess.

Better a merry monster than tedious sentimentality.

Uh huh lots of cc.com gapers up there. I got identified and introduced to by Juan aka Mr. Blister aka Mr. Goodtime aka John Sharp. Certainement there were others up there too. Too bad I forgot the hot dogs or I coulda made $$$ from the hotdog stand. "Get yer piping hot horse cock inna bun right here!" Ray and some hottie were encountered in der vuillage in der Saturday AM. Adamson never showed up probably that Amber girl was keeping him occupied

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: jewelry outside: bad? jewelry inside: not so bad? i had one little scare with a finger ring during a fall out of a hand crack and promptly removed it when i could. i've never had any problems with my ear, toe or navel rings while climbing, though - inside or out. i did get some of my hair stuck in my belay device once while on rappel. that was a scary little lesson! duzn't it hurt to have your toe pierced?

CAPT. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THOSE BIRDS WERE NESTING ON NOONTIME????

Hiked in to Colchuck with Rick Clements, Lionel and old FB. We were supplied with killer bud by a certain Leavenworth local of some repute. Got up at 4Am for Triple Cs but upon reaching base of Hidden Couloir decided to forgo the ascent in the face of warm temps and three serious ice falls in 30 minutes Fred and Rick headed up Draggin' Tail by the standard route via Asgaard Pass. Lionel wandered off in the direction of Colchuck Col. Dru walked out cause he didnt have today off you bastards!

If you post today and you are an American that is some serious gapage, you should be outside playing.

Arcteryx has been making some stuff (Daypacks for REI) offshore for years. Check the tags and look for the Made In canada/Fait Au Canada hangtag. Duh. They only did it cause REI said they would stop carrying TNF daypacks in favor of Arcteryx if Arcteryx came out with a new daypack line death to TNF . Hence the Wire, Volt, Amp etc. And they didnt have the space to set up the extra pack production here, so they offloaded it to Korea.

short for Kalashnikov.

quote: Originally posted by Billy: What about Dick Pumpington? You mean Richard Noggin???

necro you have michael_layton confused with jkreuger

I annoyed myself with the 15 Gaper Bin ladens!

There isa limit of 8 images per post but no limit on # of images per autosig!!!

quote: Originally posted by erik: quote:Originally posted by Dru:

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&th=4d43eff4ccf22e59 The Big Boys of Rec.climbing debate the same issue, as usual with all sorts of a) stupid ideas like putting Screamers on your daisies, b) apocryphal stories about people static falling on daisies and rupturing their spleens (HUH???)