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im nowhere near a computer at work today. maybe friday if its rainy. ill probably be banned by then anyhow "Naturally the common people don't want war...but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. --Herman Goering "

OR is cool...... Man killed in B.C. slide used to risky conditions: brother NELSON, B.C. (CP) - One of two Americans killed in a B.C. avalanche in Kokanee Glacier provincial park owned a company that sells equipment for back-country enthusiasts. Ronald Gregg, 55, died along with James Schmid, 42, after being buried in a slide Monday afternoon that police believe was triggered by other skiers in their group. The avalanche struck in the Grizzly Bowl area of the park, an often-skied band of sparse trees, open faces and large gullies. It is about 20 kilometres north of Nelson in the southern B.C. Interior. Gregg was the president of a Seattle-based company called Outdoor Research and an experienced skier whose work often took him into the back country, said his brother, Bob Gregg. "Spending as much time as he did in risky areas and remote areas there was always this possibility," Bob Gregg said. "Any time the phone rings after midnight, you're always worried it could be about Ron. This time it was." Ron Gregg was part of a group of six skiers from Seattle. Of the "close knit group," each had a minimum of 15 years experience in back-country skiing, said RCMP Const. Heather Macdonald. She said they arrived in the park on Saturday, skied in the area over the weekend, venturing into the Grizzly Bowl on Monday. Macdonald said the group was well outfitted and took avalanche precautions they believed would keep them safe. Based on interviews with the four survivors, Macdonald said police believe one of the skiers in the group triggered the avalanche. "What we believe happened is that one of the skiers made a kick-turn (a downhill turn), which initiated the slide," Macdonald said. She added the avalanche was 239 metres wide, 229 metres long and had a total vertical fall of 140 metres. The avalanche started just after noon Monday, 130 metres above the group on a steep headwall when three of the skiers were in the Grizzly Bowl. The other three were up above the slide and were not caught in it. One of the three men hit by the avalanche was buried in snow up to his armpits and managed to rescue himself with a shovel. "The other two fell in the path of looming snow," Macdonald said. One of the victims was buried in 1.5 metres of snow, the other in three metres. In about 50 minutes the survivors had located the victims and when attempts to revive them failed, they returned to their cabin to call police by satellite phone, Macdonald said. Due to the threat of more slides in the Grizzly Bowl area, police requested the assistance of two avalanche experts from the local Ministry of Transportation office. The pair were flown in by helicopter. "One of the concerns was that the area is very unstable right now, given the weather situation and snow conditions," said RCMP Corporal Grace Arnott. "Part of what they had to do was trigger further avalanches to ensure the safety of the rescuers." After detonating a number of smaller slides, the pair helped recover the avalanche victims with the help of the RCMP dog master. Gregg said it was the first time his married brother had been caught in an avalanche, although he had participated in numerous rescues. He was confident the skiers would have been carrying the proper safety equipment. A total of 19 people now have been killed by avalanches in the B.C. back country since October, said Evan Manners, operations manager of the Canadian Avalanche Association, which provides warning bulletins three times weekly. The park is about 170 kilometres south of Glacier National Park near Revelstoke, where seven Calgary-area teenagers were killed last month in an avalanche while on a high school ski trip. An avalanche also killed three Americans and four Canadians on Jan. 20 while skiing on provincial Crown land about 30 kilometres from the site where the Alberta teenagers were killed. The warning bulletin for an area including the provincial park where the slide occurred recently had been downgraded to high from extreme, said Manners. The rating for most of western Canada last week was extreme because of a "significant storm that came in the previous week dumped up to a metre to metre and a half in the alpine," said Manners. "Now we're slowly improving." The danger rating in effect at the time of the avalanche indicates "that's a time when serious caution needs to be exercised if you are out there at all," said Manners. The hazard rating was downgraded on March 14, he said.

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trish fox has been pretty quiet of late, ditto donna top step and schlangeschmecker.

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i have to deal with the biologists who do all the ungulate winter range planning. goats, sheep, elk, caribou, none of em like thrice daily or more helicopter overflights.... i think i know where every heli lodge is from here to edmonton. sounds like the saturation poiint was reachedabout a year ago, but of course they'll go on to develop it to 3 or 4 times bigger than it is now, disneyland with avalanches. good thing coastal snow is suck

wrench? mac 10? bigwallbigballsrocky? chepe? boltmonster? thelawgod? son of trask?

and what about river otters?

See what happens when a board has no login names and is only rarely moderated http://www.gripped.com/web/Bulletin%20Board/Topic.asp?T_ID=2073&F_ID=2

only fluting trask likes is skin fluting....

did some one say Thread Drift???

Are you guys related to Donkeypunch or something?

he meant "ewe" go girl.

Andres "Chili Dog" Zegers, big wall climber from Chile?

Will Gadds dog is named Chili Dog?

valemount is heli-city, and 15 of my co workers just got back from Amiskwi, what's your point Kurt? if it aint in a NP its got lodges and heli skiiers, Rockies or Selkirks.

silly motherators

you are or you aren't -- there's NO middle ground I am a non smoker save your lungs for the good stuff

"Veggie chili dogg with BACON!!!!"

BALDERDASH Aw I thought that was the kind of anti-PC freedom loving spray you'd eat right up homey???? Imagine it's about gun rights?

"Freedom, privileges, options must constantly be exercised, even at the risk of inconvenience. Otherwise they fall into desuetude and become unfashionable, unorthodox - finally irregulationary. Sometimes the person who insists upon his prerogatives seems shrill and contentious, but actually he performs a service to us all. Freedom naturally should never become license; but regulation should never become restriction."

yas today is sicfest day!!!

Don't forget I too stand ready to moderate the fuck out of you or anyone else for no reason.... In a normal year the interior ranges have a fairly stable snowpack. There are no long dry spells the temps never get that cold and the ranges never experience the kind of winds that are common in the Rockies. There is a reason why there are tons of hele ski operations in the interior ranges and next to none in the rockies. ya cause the Rockies are National Parks where commercial heliskiing is banned....