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Ok this brings up the question, what is an Epic anyways? One time I made up an Epic scale of E1-E5. I can't remember it all now, but E1 was like you get back to the car, an hour late, with blisters...and E5 was "touching the void". Partner deaths or your own death do not count. They are not epic. They are just BAD STUFF and should not be diginified by discussing them as 'epic' or assigning numbers. IMHO So anyways on that scale I think my biggest epic was about a 2, or 1.5. I was "lost" up the wrong valley for 2 days once following someone who claimed he knew where we were. On that same trip I fell off a log into Wall Creek, and was stung by about a dozen wasps, and got blisters (chestbeat icon here). But..... I have never had to make an unplanned, unequipped bivi. Ive never had to carry an injured partner down a scree slope. No lightning strikes. No SAR callouts. And you know what, it doesn't bother me. I'm not sitting here going "Man I wish I had some REAL epics." So JoshK and Cracked and skisports etc. my words of advice to you kids (where is the old man graemlin ) is to AVOID EPICS AT ALL COSTS. They suck. But like SpecialEd says, just get out there and push your limits, and you will end up with plenty o' gnarly stories.

"that know it all walking guidebook guy" at one job I had my boss was Jewish... and I shaved my head the day before I got hired... he started calling me Neo-Nazi then Nazi Boy... is that racial discimination? i better sue before the statute of limitations runs out I have had various friends known as Ed Bot Model 99 Greasy Mexican Half Breed Legomaniac Long Hair Hippy Scum Scam Stiff Pilot also one guy not really a friend we all called Marshmellow cause he reminded us of one... white and soft and unable to rebound quickly when poked

3. A LOOK INSIDE A RENDERING PLANT by Gar Smith Rendering has been called "the silent industry". Each year in the US, 286 rendering plants quietly dispose of more than 12.5 million tons of dead animals, fat and meat wastes. As the public relations watchdog newsletter PR Watch observes, renderers "are thankful that most people remain blissfully unaware of their existence". When City Paper reporter Van Smith visited Baltimore's Valley Proteins rendering plant last summer, he found that the "hoggers" (the large vats used to grind and filter animal tissues prior to deep-fat-frying) held an eclectic mix of body parts ranging from "dead dogs, cats, raccoons, possums, deer, foxes [and] snakes" to a "baby circus elephant" and the remains of Bozeman, a Police Department quarterhorse that "died in the line of duty". In an average month, Baltimore's pound hands over 1,824 dead animals to Valley Proteins. Last year, the plant transformed 150 millions pounds of decaying flesh and kitchen grease into 80 million pounds of commercial meat and bone meal, tallow and yellow grease. Thirty years ago, most of the renderer's wastes came from small markets and slaughterhouses. Today, thanks to the proliferation of fast-food restaurants, nearly half the raw material is kitchen grease and frying oil. Recycling dead pets and wildlife into animal food is "a very small part of the business that we don't like to advertise," Valley Proteins' President, J. J. Smith, told City Paper. The plant processes these animals as a "public service, not for profit," Smith said, since "there is not a lot of protein and fat [on pets]..., just a lot of hair you have to deal with somehow." According to City Paper, Valley Proteins "sells inedible animal parts and rendered material to Alpo, Heinz and Ralston-Purina". Valley Proteins insists that it does not sell "dead pet by-products" to pet food firms since "they are all very sensitive to the recycled pet potential". Valley Proteins maintains two production lines&emdash;one for clean meat and bones and a second line for dead pets and wildlife. However, Van Smith reported, "the protein material is a mix from both production lines. Thus the meat and bone meal made at the plant includes materials from pets and wildlife, and about five per cent of that product goes to dry-pet-food manufacturers..." A 1991 USDA report states that "approximately 7.9 billion pounds of meat and bone meal, blood meal and feather meal [were] produced in 1983". Of that amount, 34 per cent was used in pet food, 34 per cent in poultry feed, 20 per cent in pig food and 10 per cent in beef and dairy cattle feed. Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) carried in pig- and chicken-laden foods may eventually eclipse the threat of "mad cow disease". The risk of household pet exposure to TSE from contaminated pet food is more than three times greater than the risk for hamburger-eating humans.

i will attempt to argue semantics with you (note that if i succeed, this sentence is no longer correct, according to you). webster says: "to make an effort to do, accomplish, solve, or effect" " ATTEMPT stresses the initiation or beginning of an effort <will attempt to photograph the rare bird>" note that nowhere does it say "make an effort to do, but fail". i do not think failure is implied. if you succeed in climbing a route, does mean you never attempted it? attempted, past tense, implies failure note that your examples and dictionary suggest, agreeing with me, that attempt is used in advance of an action, and not afterwards... unless unsuccessfully.

those Mormon 'beta males' that cant get any should be out slaughtering, by your theory. so why arent they over represented in the crime stats and armed forces?

Attempts can be successful....but when they are successful they are no longer attempts but successes.

So how come America's army is not predominantly Mormon?

No one ever says that they "attempted and were successful", although the words are meaningful, they are not often used in the language. Saying "We attempted to climb Mt Snafflehound and were successful" is like saying, "We began to go, and went" or "We sat down to eat, and ate". The word "attempted" past tense is used to mean "failed" as in "I have attempted this route 6 times now". Its like "try". If someone says, "we are going to try" its fine. Things could go either way. But if someone says "We tried" it means "we failed." If they'd been successful they would have said "We did". In summary. "Successful attempt" is an unnecessary construction when discussing routes. Exception: when large numbers of parties attempt a climb, one may speak in the 3rd person and say there were X successful attempts and Y unsuccessful. Or whatever. But individuial in one of the parties should only say that they succeeded, or tried and failed.

just you wait fat boy. soon you will be wearing Prana and beanie and carrying pad like real man.

You couldn't handle some of our stuff. The last time crack and I were in BC all we could get was nasty ass rag weed. we grow special for yankee

declare bankruptcy and make the "winning party" pay the 5% lawyers fee

Leaving Canada for Cali climbing Thurs sometime. potential partners for Smiff or similar rock/drinking along the way send PM.

thats why i said spend the $75 so they do have cd's? can i borrow yours? yes, no.

Mitterand is dead? And he was right wing too. He was the guy who nuked Greenpeace. Thought you'd love him. Do you mean Chirac?

i heard it is impossible to "eat" or get rid of, a fat cell. they just deflate and inflate. try liposuction.

alpine ice is alpine climbing not ice climbing duh!

winners are just losers with a new attitude

is my preferred option

if your attempt is successful it is no longer an attempt, it is a done deal. if someone says that they ATTEMPTED something it means they FAILED. otherwise they would say they "DID" it. put it another way, attempt is an indeterminate quantum state, which upon observation, collapses to either success or failure. at that point, there is no attempt left. however, your attempt can be up to 99.999999999999999etc. % successful, and still be a failure. only 100% success is true success. or you can redefine your goal to make your failure successful. for instance, the White House did this when its invasion of Afghanistan failed to kill Osama.

youd never be able to handle the Canadian weed.

sharma has onsighted 13b/c trad potter hasn't, ditto graham sharma has bouldered v15 and onsighted 14a caldwell hasnt done neither, graham hasnt done the OS yet sharma smokes weed therefore sharma is the best