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WTF? Are you saying 100,000 Americans died at Kosovo? Enlighten us. That's good to know. I hope all 99% of you go out and vote! Bring your like-minded friends. As for the other 1% of you, don't bother, your vote is wasted . WTF? You're sounding all cryptic like Erik or Caveman. Elaborate or be ignored.

Yeah. So work on getting a president you can support rather than whining about a president who's term will end in months. What are you gonna do impeach him for his last 3 days in office? I am! Why do you think I am writing all this anti-Bush rhetoric on this website! I figure there's a small chance I could jog a Fox-news zombie out of her coma, and a better chance that I can firm the resolve of anti-shrubs to go out and vote and bring 5 friends with them. I think the Dems would have a hard time finding a candidate I would not support wholeheartedly against Bush. I would agitate for another candidate from the Republican party, but here in WA they cancelled our chance to do that. Dean, Clark, Kerry, Gephart, McCain, Perot, Nader, Mosely Braun, Clinton, Dicks. I'd vote for Trask over GWB. Much rather have a president who satisfies himself via sexual harassment in the oval office than one who inflates himself by sending 10000 americans to their graves or the army hospital. So there are 11 people I would vote for over GWB. I'm sure you could find about 11,000 more. I am firmly in the anti-Bush camp. The bleeding needs to be stopped. That is job one.

OK, you're not justifying what Bush has been done by trotting out other presidents. Instead, you seem to be blaming it all on Congress? How lame an argument is that? Are you seriously saying that the Bush administration has just been sitting with their thumbs up their asses (well maybe Bush was) while the congress just developed and passed the various legislation of the past 3 years? I'll trot out a past president at this point(the one who probably has the most deaths on his head). "The Buck Stops Here". You certainly don't seem to be endorsing Bush with this kind of talk. You seem to be distancing him from what has happened on his watch. Does that mean you don't approve of the erosions of civil liberties? As far as I know, Ashcroft was appointed by Bush. Not by congress. I think congress needed to approve him, but they certainly didn't pick him to be in the position. Bush can fire him too. I think you will agree that Bush should be held responsible/get credit for all that Ashcroft has done and will do. Blaming what has happened on congress is disingenuous as well as patently ludicrous.

Well doesn't it make more sense to cry about what is right in front of us? Doesn't it make more sense to agitate for some change that we actually can affect? I guess to make your point more logical and progressive I can assume that what you really mean, is that Bush is not going to be any worse than anybody else we could elect. As far as that point goes, I would heartily disagree with that. Like I wrote above, I think GWB is head and shoulders more dangerous to our country than any president I am familiar with. In 2000, I was not too worried about who was elected because I figured they were both so-so guys, but even if the anti-environmental guy got elected, we still wouldn't be screwed up too much. I can't believe how wrong I was. GWB is destroying this country and it's future. It is a tragedy. I'll bet if the supreme court had the benefit of hindsight, things would be a lot different right now.

We need another Perot. Could get one too. Some kinda rich mexiphobe upset about the illegal alien amnesty diluting our precious bodily fluids.

Get back in spray Trask. Stop messing with the serious topics.

You're probably right Trask, but I do think there's a chance for us patriots due to the relatively large numbers of us in the "strongly dislike" category.

I really don't think it's a logical argument to justify misdeeds by saying they're no worse than other misdeeds. I don't know what common thread you are thinking of for those other Presidents you mentioned, but I don't think any of them invaded another country with less reason than Bush did in Iraq. The fact that he obviously lied to the American people in order to justify the war is repugnant. You could probably make the case that some on your list up there lied to go to war. But if you did, it wouldn't justify Bush's misdeeds. The Vietnam War is probably the best comparison you could make. Do you think Bush is not so bad, because, "heck we attacked Vietnam!" Johnson decided not to run for a second term because of his misdeeds in SE Asia. Nixon was impeached. I'd settle for either of those solutions to the current problem. I would say, "I'd settle for the JFK solution" too, but, of course, I won't, because that would be stupid. By the way, though the Iraq war is my biggest beef with GWB, I also really do not like his economic (tax cuts in times of nearly unprecedented budget deficit) or environmental (speaks for itself) policies. ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot to add my dismay about the continuing erosion of civil liberty under the Bush administration Bush is selling our soldiers, our country's prestige in the world, and our children's and grandchildren's economic and environmental health to the most convenient bidders. He sucks. He should be impreached, but I'll settle for him getting voted out of office.

This is your opinion, don't play it off as fact or common knowledge. I love how you anti-freedom, socialist, big government fucks all say, "All must do this and agree with me 'cause I think so." Fuck all you guys, make up your own political mind and act for yourself. He didn't say anybody "must" do anything. He just implied that you're unpatriotic if you support GWB. Surely that's a fair card to play considering recent history.

Actually, I think you are color-coded unpatriotic. I can't remember what the color is though.

Here's a mainstream, though not conservative, media report on it Jim. Frontline

Maybe someone could make a toiletseat cover out of an old climbing rope! Everyone's always asking for something to do with those. Kleenex box holder would be good too.

Yeah, for all those pre-dawn approaches you do to the boulders. Right? No, it's for the 420 sessions around the campfire! Only a rookie uses a headlamp for a 420 session around a campfire, rookie.

I wonder how long with would take Dan - to get from Edelweiss Chair to Tuscohatchie Lake? Dan Howitowski?

The plus for me of a Tikka is that it is so damn small, that I can easily carry it for an emergency light to get myself down from the Chief or Snow Creek Wall or something like that like once a year. The Tikka plus is bigger than the Tikka, just a bit more, but enough to make it more inconvenient for slipping in your pants pocket. Those BD Ion lamps are REALLY tiny. I wonder if they would work in a pinch in an emergency descent. Two LED's versus three.

This smells like something organized by Beck. I think we should ridicule it and him.

I moved it from a trip reports forum and edited the title. And he'd still need the @ key.

Yeah, but I was doing it without parentheses, because my parentheses keys are broken

and some Gu?

Sorry, you are wrong. s/s = 1 but m/s/s does not equal m/1 (note m/s*s = m = m/1). Try punching m/s/s and m/s*s into a calculator

Here's something that I have tried, that might help (though don't count on it for 4 days out!). When hiking or whatever, put the snow in your mouth, then inhale through your nose, and exhale through your mouth. The exhalation through the snow melts the snow and doesn't waste any body heat that you aren't already expelling! Mix that snowball up with some Gu and enjoy.

How do you Solar-Slab-soloers descend from the top (at less than 9.8 m/s/s presumably [Alpinfox note m/s/s is more correct notation than m/s*s ])?

we are the knights who say knee

Shit CBS! You should be grateful that the stuff you "contributed" to that thread got shipped to the memory hole. Save your ass some embarassment