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[glassgowkiss]

Of course at this day and age popular vote would give much more fair results. Nobody can really give a clear formula for how the electoral college assigns the votes for the states. The numbers are taken from the census, which is collected only every 10 years. We all know how population can fluctuate within 10 year period. But the reality of majority vote would give actual people unfair advantage and it would much harder to manipulate election process.

I would also say that 2 party system outlived itself long time ago. This society is far to diverse to be represented fairly only by two points of view.

one more issue,- the election cycle should be limited (like it in Europe) to say 90-100 days total. we are now in constant state of elections, which makes the legislature the way it is.

[ZimZam]

[ivan]

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution.

actually, internet-wunderkind, "we the people" are the first 3 fucking words of the constitution! (far catchier than jefferson's "in the course")

[ivan]

it's times like this we must ask ourselves: "what would lao tzu do?"

 

it's worth remembering, any system for the ordering of human relations is going to have flaws, likely serious ones - if you wish to avoid the problems of large groups of people, you must therefore avoid people, as re-arranging their hats and clothes n' monikers accomplishes little...

[glassgowkiss]

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution.

actually, internet-wunderkind, "we the people" are the first 3 fucking words of the constitution! (far catchier than jefferson's "in the course")

actually you are full of shit, it's the preamble to the constitution. It's obvious you don't know the difference and what it means.

[CWC01]

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution.

actually, internet-wunderkind, "we the people" are the first 3 fucking words of the constitution! (far catchier than jefferson's "in the course")

actually you are full of shit, it's the preamble to the constitution. It's obvious you don't know the difference and what it means.

 

The actual document, as it was originally written, includes...

[glassgowkiss]

my point exactly. do you see it below or above article 1? That is why it's called preamble.

From Wikipedia: "The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve."

It also states: "The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[1] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever used it as a decisive factor in case adjudication,[2] except as regards frivolous litigation.[3]"

Now, do you want to continue this argument?

[CWC01]

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution. It's from declaration of independence, which has nothing to do with the constitution of the US, kind of ironic that the fucking foreigner has to point this out.

 

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution.

actually, internet-wunderkind, "we the people" are the first 3 fucking words of the constitution! (far catchier than jefferson's "in the course")

actually you are full of shit, it's the preamble to the constitution. It's obvious you don't know the difference and what it means.

 

The actual document, as it was originally written, includes...

 

my point exactly. do you see it below or above article 1? That is why it's called preamble.

From Wikipedia: "The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve."

It also states: "The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[1] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever used it as a decisive factor in case adjudication,[2] except as regards frivolous litigation.[3]"

Now, do you want to continue this argument?

 

I thought your point was that "We the people" was in the Declaration of Independence?

 

 

[glassgowkiss]

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution. It's from declaration of independence, which has nothing to do with the constitution of the US, kind of ironic that the fucking foreigner has to point this out.

 

Funny- "we the people" isn't even in the constitution.

actually, internet-wunderkind, "we the people" are the first 3 fucking words of the constitution! (far catchier than jefferson's "in the course")

actually you are full of shit, it's the preamble to the constitution. It's obvious you don't know the difference and what it means.

 

The actual document, as it was originally written, includes...

 

my point exactly. do you see it below or above article 1? That is why it's called preamble.

From Wikipedia: "The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve."

It also states: "The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[1] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever used it as a decisive factor in case adjudication,[2] except as regards frivolous litigation.[3]"

Now, do you want to continue this argument?

 

I thought your point was that "We the people" was in the Declaration of Independence?

 

Yes this is the point. While "we the people" is part of declaration, it is not part of the constitution. preamble is not part of the constitution. the same if you read a science book or a novel, an introduction to the book isn't really a part of it. It might inform you what prompted it, what's the idea the author is trying to achieve. As a legal document, preamble to the constitution is not a part of this legal document. is it so friggin hard to understand? The constitution starts with "All legislative powers".

Edited August 13, 2012 by glassgowkiss

[Off_White]

Oh c'mon Bob. It's below the words "The Constitution" therefore its in the constitution. Here's a definition for you: "A preamble is an introductory and expressionary statement in a document that explains the document's purpose and underlying philosophy." So, by definition, "We The People" is expressly included in the underlying philosophy.

 

Yes, people commonly make mistakes about what's in the Constitution and what's in the Declaration of Independence. In fact, you've just done so. No big deal, just say oops and move on.

[CWC01]

Yes this is the point. While "we the people" is part of declaration, it is not part of the constitution. preamble is not part of the constitution. the same if you read a science book or a novel, an introduction to the book isn't really a part of it. It might inform you what prompted it, what's the idea the author is trying to achieve. As a legal document, preamble to the constitution is not a part of this legal document. is it so friggin hard to understand? The constitution starts with "All legislative powers".

 

The Preamble is as much a part of the Constitution as an introduction is part of a book or APA formatted paper.

 

"We the people..." does not exist in the Declaration of Independence.