Peter_Puget Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Dru - My excitely neighbor to the north, On some routes with pitches with NO pro McKlane makes no mention of the lack of pro. Yet those topos come in handy by clearly showing this minor fact! Plus the topos are different from Mr. Campbells. For a rock climbing area KM's lack of topos certainly sucks. And his topos that are included are not an improvement vague at best. As far as over grading at Squamish isn't that a tradition fathered by Kevin himself. By the way construction wise his books rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 What pitches with no pro - Cruel Shoes? He says "bold". Â I keep telling KM everyone loves topos but he doesnt listen. Also when I tell him to change those 5.9s back to 5.8 and 5.10as to 5.8+ to be in line with washington grading he accuses me of "parochialism". i think he wans to catch up with softly graded areas like Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Topos are great. But sometimes all that needs to be done is desribe it in words too, if the photo is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 No not Cruel Shoes but if he does label that route bold then his lack of disclosure on some other routes is really inconsistant. I am not slamming your bud (in fact I have bought all his Squamish guides since that updat e back in the 80s) but he has clearly made a purposeful choice NOT to show this info. I just think it is pretty damn useful. If someone was planning on going to do routes on the apron I'd say without doubt bring the select guide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Topos are great. But sometimes all that needs to be done is desribe it in words too, if the photo is good enough. Description for Piggys Perversions; "Best forgotten". Â It actually just got retro cleaned and looks nice now all the seeping moss and trees are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 I offered information it was declined. Well dont ask for it then if you dont want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Ray, you offered 1 photograph of Dragontail. Something I replied to you that we needed to go do anyway because we need several different vantage points. Â This guide would be nothing if it were not for the help others have provided, and we are very happy to receive the help. Â So kiss it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Hey you asked for 1 photo of dragontail. How do you know the vantages I may have to offer... Gargle the butt gravy.  If you want to act like an idiot after someone submits advice then I'll just be a critic. If you are actually interested in someones photos or info then act like it. Until then later mofo. BTW when are you gonna climb triple coolers  [ 10-18-2002, 09:01 AM: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_Pi Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Mr. Ray, please give me all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Harry Pi: Mr. Ray, please give me all of it. Hey are you really in china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Hey you asked for 1 photo of dragontail. How do you know the vantages I may have to offer...  if I wanted a pic of Asgaard Pass I would have asked!  BTW when are you gonna climb triple coolers  triple coolers because a single cooler isnt gonna be able to hold the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 You are soo cool  Just because you mistook aasgard pass as triple coolers doesnt mean everybody else did  [ 10-18-2002, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: BTW when are you gonna climb triple coolers What!! You haven't climbed everything in your guidebook? I'm sure it's realllll accurate  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Hey Greg the unwritten law is dont accept any beta or info from me it seems. Â I don't really care. If they ask for something then expect responses. I was just relating some info. Plus had a few other leads etc to offer.... Â Anyway, I'll just relate that all you muthus would climb together most likely. so eat some poundcake and chill. Â As for Alexus chew the butt still stands. Â Also a clue ... try contacting rat for ice climbing info if you have not. He seems like one of the most prolific ice climbers in Leavenworth. As well as a fistfull of others that I dont really know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Hey Greg the unwritten law is dont accept any beta or info from me it seems. Â actually it IS written down, in our notes. "Don't accept beta from cavemen." Â As for Alexus chew the butt still stands. Â just as long as its not your butt! Â Also a clue ... try contacting rat for ice climbing info if you have not. He seems like one of the most prolific ice climbers in Leavenworth. As well as a fistfull of others that I dont really know. Â thanks ray, actually we've been talking to rat for quite some time and yes, he gets out quite a bit! he has done some interesting stuff, too. There are a couple of other guys there too - Jason has 'worth so I am not really in on that loop. Â Jason and I split responsibilities for areas across the state. So Alex has stuff like Strobach and Banks, while Jason goes after 'worth and Mazama. Honestly, without the division of labor this first edition would be almost too much work for 1 person. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Right on the typical I know everything attittude shines on in public. as usual.  Your psuedo snide comments are noted.  I think you proved you are more than an asshole than I want to deal with on a "pc" note  Cheers and let's see if we talk like this in person. I bet you'll STFU and drink a beer instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 as you were  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 I like beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 I like beer, i like ice, but i dont like ice in my beer. warm stouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 ice in beer is gross, but an iced beer at the base of a route waiting for you when you get back to the car, now your talking  better yet, hot buttered rum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 Iced beer is fine. Buttered rum is for the likes of gene simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 the ice is so you cant taste the beer taste. i like the beer taste. Â butter in rum is gross. rum in coffee is Ok though. 2 different dehydrations at once. too bad all the coffee drinks at mugs and jugs come with girly cherries and whip cream on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002  http://www.genesimmons.com/ holy HOT batman!  vs   http://www.richardsimmons.com/  Dude, I'd rather be gene simmons any day of the week, look at those babes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Greg W, Â Would you like to you try to write an ice climbing guide for this state? Do you think Beckey climbed all the routes in his guide books?Alex and Jason have put a lot of time and energy into researching this guide. I went with them once, and can fully appreciate their efforts at compiling an accurate, comprehensive guide. Unless you can do better your critism is unwarranted. Â Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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