Spanking your child doesn't work the way you want.

[denalidave]

Point is, there is always a "study" to support any side of any argument. Based on the OP "study", anyone who has ever spanked a child, did so out of anger/lashing out. I don't believe that is the case. Sure, there are plenty of abusers using the cover of "discipline". However, I'd wager it is a small percentile of the parents that have/do use corporal punishment that fit that category.

 

 

[E-rock]

Your point is not made since you didn't link a "study".

 

So are you saying that most parents who hit their kids, at the moment of striking them, are completely cool and rational and have thought through exactly why they are hitting their child, what lesson they intend to teach, and the likelihood that it will be taught?

 

Or, furthermore, that a child who is being hit can tell the difference between the hand that strikes them "for their own good" and the hand that strikes them out of abuse? And that the first type of punishment has a net positive effect, whereas the second type has a net negative?

Edited March 1, 2012 by E-rock

[minx]

 

sometimes ya gotta spank it daily

Fixed it fer ya.

 

You two keep it up and Minx is gonna spank us all.....

 

oh come one now...have you seen my avatar? you have to say please to get a spanking from me.

 

all kidding aside - there is a line between spanking and abuse. i'm not sure what it is. what's that line about porn and knowing it when you see it?

 

my son received very few spankings. it was reserved for things that were really major and likely to kill him. i think maybe 4 of them. i'm sorry but there are some things for which a timeout is not sufficient.

 

i had a similar discussion with a horseman that i respect a great deal. his take on it regarding horses was that it was definitely abuse if it was done to release anger or frustration it was abuse. if there was no potential for the horse learning anything but fear it was definitely abuse. obviously, i'm not comparing training a horse to raising a child.

 

 

[Coldfinger]

oh come one now...have you seen my avatar? you have to say please to get a spanking from me.

 

obviously, i'm not comparing training a horse to raising a child.

 

As for the first point, I haven't yet learned how to say please with a ball gag in my mouth (Ving Rhames anyone?).

 

As for the second, dead on, horses are better at listening (often).

[ivan]

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKtz1ED9kkw

[denalidave]

 

sometimes ya gotta spank it daily

Fixed it fer ya.

 

You two keep it up and Minx is gonna spank us all.....

 

oh come one now...have you seen my avatar? you have to say please to get a spanking from me.

 

all kidding aside - there is a line between spanking and abuse. i'm not sure what it is. what's that line about porn and knowing it when you see it?

 

my son received very few spankings. it was reserved for things that were really major and likely to kill him. i think maybe 4 of them. i'm sorry but there are some things for which a timeout is not sufficient.

 

i had a similar discussion with a horseman that i respect a great deal. his take on it regarding horses was that it was definitely abuse if it was done to release anger or frustration it was abuse. if there was no potential for the horse learning anything but fear it was definitely abuse. obviously, i'm not comparing training a horse to raising a child.

 

Minx, I'm a BAD boy, when & where do I get my spankin? So pretty please, with sugar on top.

[denalidave]

Your point is not made since you didn't link a "study".

 

So are you saying that most parents who hit their kids, at the moment of striking them, are completely cool and rational and have thought through exactly why they are hitting their child, what lesson they intend to teach, and the likelihood that it will be taught?

 

Or, furthermore, that a child who is being hit can tell the difference between the hand that strikes them "for their own good" and the hand that strikes them out of abuse? And that the first type of punishment has a net positive effect, whereas the second type has a net negative?

You dare question the authority of Fox news. WTF?

[denalidave]

So are you saying that most parents who hit their kids, at the moment of striking them, are completely cool and rational and have thought through exactly why they are hitting their child, what lesson they intend to teach, and the likelihood that it will be taught?

That sums up my personal experience of getting an occasional spanking. NEVER, was it in a moment of rage. But that was just in my family. YRMV.

[denalidave]

So are you saying that most parents who hit their kids, at the moment of striking them, are completely cool and rational and have thought through exactly why they are hitting their child, what lesson they intend to teach, and the likelihood that it will be taught?

That sums up my personal experience of getting an occasional spanking. NEVER, was it in a moment of rage. But that was just in my family. YRMV.

 

In fact, I'm surprised my parents did not beat the hell out of me in my rebellious years. I certainly deserved more than I got.

[pink]

So are you saying that most parents who hit their kids, at the moment of striking them, are completely cool and rational and have thought through exactly why they are hitting their child, what lesson they intend to teach, and the likelihood that it will be taught?

That sums up my personal experience of getting an occasional spanking. NEVER, was it in a moment of rage. But that was just in my family. YRMV.

 

In fact, I'm surprised my parents did not beat the hell out of me in my rebellious years. I certainly deserved more than I got.

 

 

i figure when they get old i'll just throw them in to a lame-O old folks home, payback is a bitch

[denalidave]

You gotta outlive them first, Pinko.

 

[minx]

Pinky is a momma's boy so there's no he's puttin her in a home.

 

Put he makes a good point

[E-rock]

Anybody who would defend this practice is beyond reason.

 

 

[ivan]

Anybody who would defend this practice is beyond reason.

 

yeah, that would prett well summarize the whole state of texas, which does the same?

[kevbone]

Anybody who would defend this practice is beyond reason.

 

 

"If I would have hit my son how she hit him, I would have been in jail, I would have been on the news, I would have been messed up trying to get my children back," Jones says. "She whipped him up and to me that's child abuse."

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

It's a good thing Floridians don't decide important things... like presidential election outcomes.

[ivan]

It's a good thing Floridians don't decide important things... like presidential election outcomes.

in the favor of texans no less!

 

one of my cousin's is a 300+ lb former offensive tackle for smu - he taught for a # of years and said he could get instant silience merely by bringing out the official paddle and setting it on his desk

[G-spotter]

I'd take a spanking class in school if Minx was giving it

[Coldfinger]

Just looking at the current news--two different courthouse rampages today with many victims--tells me we're not going to spank our way out of this messy world.

[rob]

Spanking isn't nearly as bad as biting off your son's penis

[Coldfinger]

I'd take a spanking class in school if Minx was giving it

 

Strictly speaking, if we're in school, it should be "if Minx WERE giving it."

 

No spanking for you!

[minx]

ummm...coldfinger

 

Minx is singular therefore shouldn't it be "was"?

 

sheesh...i join MEC and now G-Spotter is flirting with me.

 

Maybe the courthouse folks needed a good spanking as kids?

[rob]

ummm...coldfinger

 

Minx is singular therefore shouldn't it be "was"?

 

it has nothing to do with singular, it has to do with context and verb moods -- i.e. subjunctive vs. indicative verbs, etc. In this case, "were" would be the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" and is appropriate for cases in which you are referring to something that's not likely to be true, reminiscing, etc.

 

I.E. "I wish I were a rich man" vs "Yesterday, I was rich" -- "was" is the indicative mood of the verb and is appropriate for things that are true, or likely to be true in hypothetical situations.

 

Doesn't anybody know English anymore???

 

Now, if teaching a class on spanking is something you are likely to do, then perhaps "was" is appropriate

Edited March 14, 2012 by rob

[minx]

dammit Rob. i'm OLD!

 

I don't remember HS english let alone 4th grade language arts and I escaped college with a science degree. We really didn't write in "moods" very often. *sigh*

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

ummm...coldfinger

 

Minx is singular therefore shouldn't it be "was"?

 

it has nothing to do with singular, it has to do with context and verb moods -- i.e. subjunctive vs. indicative verbs, etc. In this case, "were" would be the subjunctive mood of the verb "to be" and is appropriate for cases in which you are referring to something that's not likely to be true, reminiscing, etc.

 

I.E. "I wish I were a rich man" vs "Yesterday, I was rich" -- "was" is the indicative mood of the verb and is appropriate for things that are true, or likely to be true in hypothetical situations.

 

Doesn't anybody know English anymore???

 

Now, if teaching a class on spanking is something you are likely to do, then perhaps "was" is appropriate

 

To answer your question, unfortunately, very few know English these days. Carry on.