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Two Thousand Years of Chinese Climate


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j_b:"the second sentence is confusing enough to leave the reader with the message that 2000 years ago global climate was warmer than at present"

 

MtnGoat: It was, we've already established the "warmest ever" claims are false.

sigh .... warm temps in China 2000 years ago don't prove that global temps were warmer 2000 years ago. If anything global temperature may have been warmer during the hypsithermal interval (~6000 years ago).

 

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/clisci10k.html

 

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from the evidence of the cyclical nature of the global climate, we can see precisely what scientists convinced of warming must prove is not natural.

there is conscensus among climate scientists that today's global warming is due to human greenhouse gas outputs superimposed on a natural, long term (~14,000 years) warming trend. The IPCC report is the document which resumes the scientific litterature on this topic as of today.

 

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else it would be proven and settled

whether there is proof or reasonable evidence has little to do with policy. You have no proof your house will burn in a fire tomorrow yet you still purchase home fire insurance, don't you?

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despite out honest attempt to turn this topic to spray FAST! these global warming people keep on going and going...methinks they are actually computer programs playing of each others babble fro someones thesis project or something...let the spray begin! [big Grin][big Drink]

 

[ 09-27-2002, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Fence Sitter ]

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Suppose we take a leap to the next quantum level of perspective, from which the earth is seen as an organism, and humans are microorganisms.

 

From this view, the human race is displaying parallels to the behavior of pathogenic organisms: parabolic growth, consumption and production harmful waste - with no regard for the health and well-being of its host — in this case, planet Earth.

 

Of course, infected host organisms fight back. As humans become an increasing menace, can the Earth defend itself?

 

When a disease organism infects a human being, one of the defense mechanisms our body deploys is the elevation of its own temperature. This rise in temperature not only inhibits the growth of the infecting pathogen, but also enhances the disease fighting capability within the body via the sudden and rapid proliferation of antibodies, T-cells, white blood cells, and other defenders against disease.

 

Global warming may be the Earth’s way of inducing a fever — as a reaction to human pollution of the atmosphere. As the global climate changes, and as the natural environment chokes with pollution, we're beginning to see what sort of organisms nature can and will suddenly unleash to confront us.

 

In addition to global warming, other defense mechanisms are beginning to show themselves as insect pest population booms, accelerated genetic mutation, new epidemic strains of deadly bacteria, viruses, and algae particularly toxic to humans. Many of these can be linked either directly or indirectly to human proliferation and alteration of the environment.

 

Is it really such an absurd idea? Such non-conscious but seemingly intelligent dynamics take place on molecular, cellular, species, and ecosystems levels. Why shouldn't the same dynamics apply to the scale of the earth?

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see our species get force-fed a slice of humble pie. Until then, party on!

 

[ 09-29-2002, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: Uncle Tricky ]

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Originally posted by Fence Sitter:

[laf][laf]
i'm out...

See, just like e-rock was saying about the link between latency and homophobia! I'm so glad you've come to terms with yourself. If you could just get over that self-hating queer thing life will seem much brighter.

 

You should have come down here to Olympia this weekend: Homo-A-Go-Go

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MtnGoat wrote: What kind of organisms?

The extremely virulent and dangerous forms of Shrubus Ignoramus (common name: George W. Bush) or Clintonus Horriblus var. Hilarious (common name: Hillary Clinton) for example.

 

There is some debate as to whether these two fearsome mutations are actually organisms or viruses, but that doesn't make them any less deadly.

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While I wish for the goat and his people to beat this topic to death, I would like to day here that...

 

HOMPOHOBIA BLOWS GOATS!!! [Mad]

 

and one more thing:

 

shut your little know-nothing post-adolescent pie hole and let the grownups talk, Fence Sitter. You might actually learn something if you shut your mouth and listen for a while. Better yet, go read a book.

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Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing:

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Originally posted by MtnGoat:

 

What kind of organisms?

Have you forgotten Dru's aquatic obsession, that titanic tentacled terror and dreaded denizen of the depths, the killer king of the kraken, a.k.a. the
GIANT SQUID?

 

Those things'll take off your leg, no questions asked.
[Eek!]
The shy Architeuthis is a well-known obsession of castor druensis canadensis, which makes its nest in the rain-soaked B.C. coastal range. One might even expect some form of habitual "reciprocal altruism" between the two species. This relationship is not to be confused with traskensis sickii, who's relationship with Ovis canadensis is well-documented.
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