The next big cuts in Washtington

[akhalteke]

You will be waiting for a long time... no one is reading a word of it. But you wont know that because (as said before many times) you do not read or don't consider any other view point from your own.

 

This is the solitary reason everyone who manages to read one of your rants is so blatantly offensive to you. You are an narcissistic asshole.

 

You didn't read this post, and if you did, you will just call me a right winger, wombat or some other cop-out generalizing label.

 

If you weren't such an angry asshole, you might not be so verbally abused. You have the mentality of a pubescent who missed a dose of Ridalyn. Finish that last glass of pink chamblis and take a nap. Maybe you will wake up as a somewhat less surly miser.

 

 

Touche

 

 

If you want proof that you are a narcissist, count how many posts you have in this thread, divide by the amount of posts.

 

If you still don't understand, count your posts which call someone a name for not agreeing with you and divide it by the total number of your posts in the thread.

 

 

[j_b]

You should articulate better because I can't quite make out what you are saying:

 

[video:youtube]wsPjL8SUAFc

[j_b]

 

http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/04/2180/

[Wastral]

Many corps don't pay taxes because they moved their operations off shore outside the USA due to immense regulations creating an impossible atmosphere to actually develope and manufacture a product. Thank all the permits required and jack ass inspectors to placate just to change out a single outlet, creating outlets that you buy for $2, but require a $200 permit and the requirement for a "licensed" and bonded electrician instead of some High School Graduate which is all the talent required to do said job in the first place. So, it turns a $2 outlet into a $300-$400 bill. THAT is why businesses are SPRINTING out of the USA. Add in the time delay to get said jack ass moronic permit and inspection done delaying the final product by additional days turning into weeks when you have multiple permits etc...

 

Also, since profits from outside the USA are heavily taxed it makes no sense for said corps to bring the money home. Thus, said profits stay oversees where they build more plants requiring less manufacturing at home in the USA.

 

Most corporations aren't actual businesses either. IE employee total of 1.

 

Do, I believe that we should increase payroll taxes a small margin across the board? Yes, but only if one slashes spending at least 30% across the board from ALL programs, no matter what PROMISES were made. Its time to get real.

 

Regulations need to be addressed as well. I am not talking the overall reaching regulations like the Clean Air Act or Clean Water Act.

 

When one goes to build a home and you have to budget 6 months to deal with the damned regulators and $50,000 in permit fees before digging the first shovel full of dirt for the foundation, it makes owning your own house next to impossible as the common joe Can't afford said house. Thus, another reason we have so many defaulted loans, because all the MORONIC permit fees jack up the cost of living for the common joe, thus keeping the poor, POOR. THIS MUST BE ADDRESSED! It never will I bet, just more beaucratic crap added on till no one can do anything and the ONLY way to do anything is its better to ask for forgiveness instead of permission.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Wastral

[j_b]

Is that a troll? Because if it isn't, I (rhetorically) hope you built your house with Chinese drywall that you bought from someone who carries no insurance and has no assets. That ought to cure you of the deregulatory disease you appear to have contracted.

[j_b]

"Tax evasion added $3 trillion to the deficit over the past decade alone, an average of $300 billion a year, according to IRS data. This isn't revenue lost from legal tax write-offs, like the mortgage interest deduction. It's not even, as the IRS notes, "taxes that should have been paid on income from the illegal sector of the economy." That $300 billion represents the amount of revenue lost from people deliberately cheating on their taxes every year. This includes underreporting income, hidden offshore bank accounts, sham trusts, and other ways to illegally stiff the IRS.

 

Put that money in perspective. Tax evasion in the last decade cost an amount roughly equivalent to the Bush tax cuts, the Obama stimulus, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ... combined.[...]

 

Greece is a good example of what happens when tax evasion is ignored. Greece's current status as a near-bankrupt slave grasping at its creditors was caused by many factors, but one of the largest was an endemic culture of tax cheating. Only chumps followed the rules. Emphatic disregard for the tax man became the norm.

 

Michael Lewis did a wonderful job exposing this culture in an essay published last year in Vanity Fair. "Somewhere between 30 and 40 percent of the activity in the Greek economy that might be subject to the income tax goes officially unrecorded," Lewis writes.

 

He continues: "The scale of Greek tax cheating was at least as incredible as its scope: an estimated two-thirds of Greek doctors reported incomes under 12,000 euros a year -- which meant, because incomes below that amount weren't taxable, that even plastic surgeons making millions a year paid no tax at all."

 

In one Greek town, 324 residents admitted to having swimming pools -- an asset that increases property taxes. A satellite photo showed the actual number of pool owners was 16,974. Small wonder Greece found itself where it is today when 98% of the population cheats on their taxes.

 

Could we be next?"

 

 

Tax evasion

[j_b]

[video:youtube]F527LbW84hA

 

Edited April 27, 2011 by j_b

[j_b]

Thank all the permits required and jack ass inspectors to placate just to change out a single outlet

 

"According to the US CBP, 13 percent of all counterfeit products seized are electrical products, ranking them second among all category totals.

 

Why does product counterfeiting exist? Why is it escalating exponentially? It’s called profit. Entities operating outside legal and ethical bounds are continually finding ways to circumvent detection. Counterfeiters intentionally mislead the public and everyone along the supply chain. UL adds that it’s difficult to pinpoint where bad products are originally made, where the shipments originate, and who is responsible for exporting the product.

 

Generally, counterfeiters don’t go to the expense of having products tested and verified by an approved third-party testing lab designated as a nationally recognized testing laboratory (NRTL) such as UL, FM Approvals, and TUV America, Inc. to name a few. Counterfeiters lower their costs by eliminating third-party testing, but go to great lengths to produce “fake” approval logos.

 

To lower costs, counterfeit products typically have substandard design, materials, and/or manufacturing quality, according to the National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA). Consequently, the likelihood that a counterfeit electrical product could malfunction is much higher. NEMA says this can lead to shock, burns, fires, explosions, and incidents that can cause property damage, injury, or death.

 

NEMA also warns that manufacturers, distributors, and installers of electrical products could face legal risks for trading in counterfeit products—even if they are victims of counterfeiters. Although manufacturers sometimes can avoid liability for products they did not make, the focus can shift to distributors, retailers, contractors, and installers. Determining the authenticity of electrical products is becoming increasingly important to everyone in the supply chain in order to avoid liability risks.

 

Some of the electrical products affected by counterfeiting that NEMA, UL, and other organizations have identified include:

 

* Circuit breakers

* Control relays

* Control switches

* Extension cords

* Electrical connectors

* Electrical receptacles

* Fuses

* Ground-fault circuit interrupters

* Ground rods

* High voltage surge arrestors

* Lamp ballasts (fluorescent lamps)

* Lighting fixtures (luminaires)

* Small electric motors

* Motor control centers

* Welding electrodes and other welding consumables

* Wire and cable (including telecommunication wire and extension cords)"

 

why we need regulations

[tvashtarkatena]

 

If you weren't such an angry asshole, you might not be so verbally abused. You have the mentality of a pubescent who missed a dose of Ridalyn. Finish that last glass of pink chamblis and take a nap. Maybe you will wake up as a somewhat less surly miser.

 

What is this Ridalyn and chamblis, and why is j_b a miser?

[tvashtarkatena]

Many corps don't pay taxes because they moved their operations off shore outside the USA due to immense regulations creating an impossible atmosphere to actually develope and manufacture a product. Thank all the permits required and jack ass inspectors to placate just to change out a single outlet, creating outlets that you buy for $2, but require a $200 permit and the requirement for a "licensed" and bonded electrician instead of some High School Graduate which is all the talent required to do said job in the first place. So, it turns a $2 outlet into a $300-$400 bill. THAT is why businesses are SPRINTING out of the USA. Add in the time delay to get said jack ass moronic permit and inspection done delaying the final product by additional days turning into weeks when you have multiple permits etc...

 

Also, since profits from outside the USA are heavily taxed it makes no sense for said corps to bring the money home. Thus, said profits stay oversees where they build more plants requiring less manufacturing at home in the USA.

 

Most corporations aren't actual businesses either. IE employee total of 1.

 

Do, I believe that we should increase payroll taxes a small margin across the board? Yes, but only if one slashes spending at least 30% across the board from ALL programs, no matter what PROMISES were made. Its time to get real.

 

Regulations need to be addressed as well. I am not talking the overall reaching regulations like the Clean Air Act or Clean Water Act.

 

When one goes to build a home and you have to budget 6 months to deal with the damned regulators and $50,000 in permit fees before digging the first shovel full of dirt for the foundation, it makes owning your own house next to impossible as the common joe Can't afford said house. Thus, another reason we have so many defaulted loans, because all the MORONIC permit fees jack up the cost of living for the common joe, thus keeping the poor, POOR. THIS MUST BE ADDRESSED! It never will I bet, just more beaucratic crap added on till no one can do anything and the ONLY way to do anything is its better to ask for forgiveness instead of permission.

 

So here we've learned that:

 

business are 'sprinting' out of the U.S. due to either high taxes or those pesky local permits. Kinda weird that our largest industry, auto manufacturing, foreign companies have been moving their operations ON SHORE for years, now. Guess they need to hire new tax accountants.

 

Oh...and you don't need a permit to have an electrician change out a socket.

 

Oh...and it doesn't cost $50,000 in permits to build a house...not even remotely close.

 

I could go on, like ferreting out the source of the magical '30% NOW!!!' in cuts figure that we need RIGHT NOW!!! (to save Medicare in 20 years?) but I think the audience already gets the idea about this poster's kooky ravings.

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

I've also learned that my own corporation, which has one employee, isn't a 'real business'. I'll remember that when I cash my 'pretend paychecks' from my 'pretend clients' this week.

[Wastral]

My bad, you do need a permit to switch out 2 receptecles though according to the NEC which most states/counties/cities adopt. So, its $4 for 2 receptacles that now cost $400.

 

Corporation of 1 = self employed = not a corporation. You are using a corp for self protection, and in the same breath you go around bashing corporations on these threads as big bad evil entities. According to you, you are a BIG BAD EVIL ENTITY. Get a grip dude.

 

All the "fraud" you posted JB, is nothing but products without the moronic "UL" sticker which means nothing, as the "UL" sticker doesn't mean much at all anymore as they create their own specs and regs as they wish. Some types of products by law are required to meet some specs and some are not, while those Safety hacks go around trying to claim all products should. For instance if an alarm clock doesn't have a UL sticker on its E-cord to the wall, it is considered "fraud". No one in their right mind is going to pay UL, 10k to test their E-cord when in reality the test or inspection if you will should cost no more than $10 because they have a monopoly they charge astronomical prices. As it stands, most alarm clocks DO have said stupidity sticker. Same reason all of our electronic gear has a converter box that is NOT UL approved, but the cord going to the box is "UL" approved. Now which part is more important... The cord or the transformer? All UL looks for is safety shields, prongs, etc. Something the common joe can easily see for themselves. "UL" doesn't actually test the parts that fail all the time, thus they are a joke. For instance an Electrical Box, nothing but steel from Cutler Hammer will have a UL sticker on it because it is required. UL doesn't actually check anything as there is nothing TO check. All those old electrical panels before the moronic "UL" weren't burning down houses. Its always loose wires that have nothing to do with said Steel electrical box. You guys really look like ignorant douche bags when you type the crap you do. Yet, you go beating the drum for more regulations which have 0 effect on reality but to make it harder on the common joe to make a living while letting the big problem children run free.

 

People lived for thousands of years without permits on their houses, people won't willingly live in a house that is going to fall down. That is why when you buy a house you have it inspected first. You can see everything you need to see from the crawl space and the attic to know if its built right.

 

Chinese bad drywall? That is why we have a legal system. Use it idiot, has nothing to do with regulations. When someone is willing to purposefully poison somoene to get rid of waste regulations won't work. You will note I have no problem as stated in my previous post about the Clean Air/Water and toxicity regulations. We can argue the validity of some of said regulations, but no one is going to argue that there are many substances that are poisonous. This still has no bearings on permits. You don't even have to test for said products, because anyone who already knows said poison is bad, will give you test samples that won't have said waste product in it! Are you really so ignorant as to believe they would throw it in their first batch run? ya, I know a lot of criminals are stupid, but Big time criminals making products are not.

 

Seems you haven't tried building anything recently TAV, as if you had, you would know that permits for building and your utilities will and can run you $50k. My current project is running at $45k right now in Seattle. The total amount of "inspector" time at my current project is no more than 10 hours. Lets see, 10 hours of work, $45,000 in fees. Runs out to be a tidy $4500 an hour. Gee wish I could work at that rate!

 

Do try to get your heads out of your asses before asphyixiating on your own farts that you keep blowing around the threads that you claim are "informed." Try a bit of reality instead of an internet search and copy paste.

[Hugh Conway]

Do try to get your heads out of your asses before asphyixiating on your own farts that you keep blowing around the threads that you claim are "informed." Try a bit of reality instead of an internet search and copy paste.

 

What was that about a $4500/rate?

[j_b]

All the "fraud" you posted JB, is nothing but products without the moronic "UL" sticker which means nothing, as the "UL" sticker doesn't mean much at all anymore as they create their own specs and regs as they wish. Some types of products by law are required to meet some specs and some are not, while those Safety hacks go around trying to claim all products should. For instance if an alarm clock doesn't have a UL sticker on its E-cord to the wall, it is considered "fraud". No one in their right mind is going to pay UL, 10k to test their E-cord when in reality the test or inspection if you will should cost no more than $10 because they have a monopoly they charge astronomical prices. As it stands, most alarm clocks DO have said stupidity sticker. Same reason all of our electronic gear has a converter box that is NOT UL approved, but the cord going to the box is "UL" approved. Now which part is more important... The cord or the transformer? All UL looks for is safety shields, prongs, etc. Something the common joe can easily see for themselves. "UL" doesn't actually test the parts that fail all the time, thus they are a joke. For instance an Electrical Box, nothing but steel from Cutler Hammer will have a UL sticker on it because it is required. UL doesn't actually check anything as there is nothing TO check. All those old electrical panels before the moronic "UL" weren't burning down houses. Its always loose wires that have nothing to do with said Steel electrical box. You guys really look like ignorant douche bags when you type the crap you do. Yet, you go beating the drum for more regulations which have 0 effect on reality but to make it harder on the common joe to make a living while letting the big problem children run free.

 

I am not arguing for more regulations. I am arguing for regulations that work, not the free for all clusterfcuk that you propose. You clearly can't read AND you are wrong about the risks posed by counterfeit electrical products. Anyway that was just an example of the need for regulations at only one level of the building industry.

 

People lived for thousands of years without permits on their houses, people won't willingly live in a house that is going to fall down. That is why when you buy a house you have it inspected first. You can see everything you need to see from the crawl space and the attic to know if its built right.

 

Classic. A long stupid diatribe against regulations followed by a call for inspection that entails some kind of building standards. LOL

 

Chinese bad drywall? That is why we have a legal system. Use it idiot, has nothing to do with regulations.

 

if the drywall vendor isn't insured, and has no assets, you are shit out of luck ... which implies some type of regulations.

 

[Jim]

Seems you haven't tried building anything recently TAV, as if you had, you would know that permits for building and your utilities will and can run you $50k. My current project is running at $45k right now in Seattle. The total amount of "inspector" time at my current project is no more than 10 hours. Lets see, 10 hours of work, $45,000 in fees. Runs out to be a tidy $4500 an hour. Gee wish I could work at that rate!

 

Do try to get your heads out of your asses before asphyixiating on your own farts that you keep blowing around the threads that you claim are "informed." Try a bit of reality instead of an internet search and copy paste.

 

Well if you are an experienced builder then you know what goes with the territory. And you know the costs of hookups, review and processing of plans and permits, etc. is a bit more involved than jsut when the inspector shows up. Could it be done more effiently? - likely. But that's life in general. Want water, sewer, electric hook up and up to safe standards - well then, user pays. End of story.

[j_b]

Chinese bad drywall? That is why we have a legal system. Use it idiot, has nothing to do with regulations

 

btw good luck with the courts from now on if you sign any of the fine print (although it was on the internet so you probably don't believe it):

 

Average Americans Stripped of their Day in Court, California Consumer Group Says

 

SANTA MONICA, Calif., April 27, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today's U.S. Supreme Court decision in AT&T Mobility, LLC v. Concepcion, invalidating California's protections against unfair provisions in contracts effectively eliminates the right of consumers to join together to fight powerful corporations in court and will lead to enormous abuses of consumers by corporations, Consumer Watchdog, a California non-profit consumer advocacy organization, said today.

 

Ignoring the plain language of the Federal Arbitration Act, the Supreme Court's decision today says that any time state contract or consumer protection laws interfere with sending a case to arbitration, the state laws are overridden.

 

Arbitration clauses are in the fine print of contracts for cell phones, cables, credit card and virtually every other product sold in America, yet most consumers never see them until they are the victims of a rip-off, fraud or other thievery. Only then, when they go to court to try to get their money or property back, does the consumer learn that they are barred from bringing a lawsuit by an arbitration clause or from joining together with other aggrieved consumers to fight the defendant. Instead, arbitration provisions ban court cases by one consumer or a group of consumers who are instead required to present their case to someone hired by the company to be a 'judge,' in a complex private process that has few of the protections of the courts. Experience has shown that few lawyers will represent consumers in arbitration cases, a fact that the conservative majority of the Court used in support of its finding against consumers today.

 

A "Bush vs. Gore" Decision on Consumer Rights

 

"This decision means it will be open season on consumers," said Harvey Rosenfield, founder of Consumer Watchdog, a California-based advocacy group that has sued AT&T and other large corporations for overcharges. "It slams the courtroom doors shut on Americans who are nickeled and dimed by big corporations. Knowing they can never be held accountable, American corporations will be emboldened to fleece their customers. This is the 'Bush vs. Gore' moment in American consumer law. It just reinforces the belief of many Americans that the government protects only the wealthy and Wall Street."

 

Supreme Court Arbitration Ruling

[tvashtarkatena]

This week, Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin and the chairman of the House Budget Committee, told reporters, “We shouldn’t be giving corporate farms, these large agribusiness companies, subsidies. I strongly believe that.”

 

Holy shit, it's about time somebody put a bullet in this bloated cash cow. I don't care if its Ryan, Obama, or Jebus.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

This week, Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin and the chairman of the House Budget Committee, told reporters, “We shouldn’t be giving corporate farms, these large agribusiness companies, subsidies. I strongly believe that.”

 

Holy shit, it's about time somebody put a bullet in this bloated cash cow. I don't care if its Ryan, Obama, or Jebus.

 

The next big cuts in Washington => War on Terror.

 

 

OK,it's a nice fantasy