KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 so your idea of good coverage for all is rich people having preferential and expedited treatment? Well-off americans don't go to Canada for treatment. I guess socializing their medical system has a lowering effect on quality at the higher levels of treatment in the aggregate. No surprises there. Socialism is great at lowering the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 so your idea of good coverage for all is rich people having preferential and expedited treatment? Well-off americans don't go to Canada for treatment. I guess socializing their medical system has a lowering effect on quality at the higher levels of treatment in the aggregate. No surprises there. Socialism is great at lowering the bar. Even if what you you said was true (which it isn't), would maintaining a platinum-plated, elite-only boutique system of health care be worth it if it meant large numbers would go without entirely? Curious vision of freedom you have there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 so your idea of good coverage for all is rich people having preferential and expedited treatment? Well-off americans don't go to Canada for treatment. I guess socializing their medical system has a lowering effect on quality at the higher levels of treatment in the aggregate. No surprises there. Socialism is great at lowering the bar. Even if what you you said was true (which it isn't), would maintaining a platinum-plated, elite-only boutique system of health care be worth it if it meant large numbers would go without entirely? Curious vision of freedom you have there. If 80% of Americans have coverage for great care - that's better than 100% of coverage where the quality drops enough to force people to leave the country to get the care they need... if they can afford it. Why don't you just study something useful so you can get a job with coverage, Prole? I mean, after you move out from your Mom's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 More Americans Seeking Surgery Abroad (WebMD) Dismayed by high surgical costs in the United States, increasing numbers of American patients are packing their bags to have necessary surgery performed in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore. "This is not what is sometimes snootily referred to as 'medical tourism,' in which people go abroad for elective plastic surgery," says Mark D. Smith, MD, MBA, president and chief executive officer of the California HealthCare Foundation in Oakland. Today's "medical refugees," the term Smith uses in an article published in the Oct. 19 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, are going to foreign countries for lifesaving procedures such as coronary bypass surgery and heart valve replacement, and also life-enhancing procedures such as hip and knee replacement. "People are desperate," Smith tells WebMD. "This illustrates the growing unaffordability of the U.S. health care system, even to people who are by no means indigent." more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/health/webmd/main2104425.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 More Americans Seeking Surgery Abroad (WebMD) Dismayed by high surgical costs in the United States, increasing numbers of American patients are packing their bags to have necessary surgery performed in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore. "This is not what is sometimes snootily referred to as 'medical tourism,' in which people go abroad for elective plastic surgery," says Mark D. Smith, MD, MBA, president and chief executive officer of the California HealthCare Foundation in Oakland. Today's "medical refugees," the term Smith uses in an article published in the Oct. 19 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, are going to foreign countries for lifesaving procedures such as coronary bypass surgery and heart valve replacement, and also life-enhancing procedures such as hip and knee replacement. "People are desperate," Smith tells WebMD. "This illustrates the growing unaffordability of the U.S. health care system, even to people who are by no means indigent." more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/health/webmd/main2104425.shtml Maybe you could travel to Thailand for some affordable, prosthetic testicals, j_b? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 It would be cool if everyone knew what they were talking about. The only huge flaw in the Canadian system that I know of is that any type of therapeutics for cancer or autoimmune disease, that can be in upwards of $50k for a full treatment, are not covered under their basic plan as opposed to something like a life saving heart procedure. Both are live saving, both are expensive, but because one is a drug it's not covered. In those instances the Canadian system is no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 If 80% of Americans have coverage for great care - that's better than 100% of coverage where the quality drops enough to force people to leave the country to get the care they need... if they can afford it. So what you are saying is that 20% of people should suffer because "they don't deserve" healthcare so that .1% of 80% who need expensive procedures can get them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 If 80% of Americans have coverage for great care - that's better than 100% of coverage where the quality drops enough to force people to leave the country to get the care they need... if they can afford it. So what you are saying is that 20% of people should suffer because "they don't deserve" healthcare so that .1% of 80% who need expensive procedures can get them? nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 If 80% of Americans have coverage for great care - that's better than 100% of coverage where the quality drops enough to force people to leave the country to get the care they need... if they can afford it. So what you are saying is that 20% of people should suffer because "they don't deserve" healthcare so that .1% of 80% who need expensive procedures can get them? .08%? Isn't that the minimum BAC needed to participate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 More Americans Seeking Surgery Abroad (WebMD) Dismayed by high surgical costs in the United States, increasing numbers of American patients are packing their bags to have necessary surgery performed in countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore. "This is not what is sometimes snootily referred to as 'medical tourism,' in which people go abroad for elective plastic surgery," says Mark D. Smith, MD, MBA, president and chief executive officer of the California HealthCare Foundation in Oakland. Today's "medical refugees," the term Smith uses in an article published in the Oct. 19 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, are going to foreign countries for lifesaving procedures such as coronary bypass surgery and heart valve replacement, and also life-enhancing procedures such as hip and knee replacement. "People are desperate," Smith tells WebMD. "This illustrates the growing unaffordability of the U.S. health care system, even to people who are by no means indigent." more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/health/webmd/main2104425.shtml Maybe you could travel to Thailand for some affordable, prosthetic testicals, j_b? what no comment about how this article blew your argument out of the water? "People are desperate," Smith tells WebMD. "This illustrates the growing unaffordability of the U.S. health care system, even to people who are by no means indigent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 what no comment about how this article blew your argument out of the water? "People are desperate," man, you're an assclown do you ever have fun, laugh, or do anything but bitch about how horrible life in the US is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 You forgot the most important part, jackass: "This illustrates the growing unaffordability of the U.S. health care system, even to people who are by no means indigent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 man, you're an assclown do you ever have fun, laugh, or do anything but bitch about how horrible life in the US is? Hey kettle STFU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 man, you're an assclown do you ever have fun, laugh, or do anything but bitch about how horrible life in the US is? Hey kettle STFU! I laugh all the team. Mostly, at, not with people like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 man, you're an assclown do you ever have fun, laugh, or do anything but bitch about how horrible life in the US is? Hey kettle STFU! I laugh all the team. Mostly, at, not with people like you. what do you think we've been doing since the moment you showed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Why don't you just study something useful so you can get a job with coverage, Prole? As if having health insurance in America is any guarantee that they'd pay up and you still wouldn't go shit-ass broke when something did happen to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 what do you think we've been doing since the moment you showed up? Threatening to kill people on the Inter Glacier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I laugh all the team. I'm laughing at your team too. GO CANADA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Well-off americans don't go to Canada for treatment. Well no, they might have to join the line instead of pushing to the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Well-off americans don't go to Canada for treatment. Well no, they might have to join the line instead of pushing to the front. That's simply Un-American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I laugh all the team. I'm laughing at your team too. GO CANADA! Crosby will go down even harder than Jagr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I laugh all the team. I'm laughing at your team too. GO CANADA! Yeah, GO CANADA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I laugh all the team. I'm laughing at your team too. GO CANADA! 5-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I laugh all the team. I'm laughing at your team too. GO CANADA! Crosby will go down even harder than Jagr Crosby will go down faster than KK at a gay bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 well, the level of the discussion certainly improved since KKK showed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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