Obama's Undoing

[prole]

 

I think the Obama Administration could care less about prosecuting these terrorists. In their bizarre world, they no doubt believe the discovery process required in a public trial will reveal the true extent of Bush's "crimes".

 

[Fairweather]

 

climate has changed in the past but the carbon stored in the earth crust over millions of years was never before the last century released in 100 years. Carbon dioxide is a well known greenhouse gas as established by 19th century science.

 

 

Do you realize how simpletonesque that sounds? You're saying that correlation equals causation--and there are plenty of other candidates for causation. Few of them studied adequately as yet.

 

Yes. We've added .008% CO2 to the total. NOT significant.

[j_b]

what a surprise! you are regurgitating the exact same silly talking points that have been refuted countless times by climate scientists over the last 20 years. Do we really need to answer them once more?

 

I have an idea that will save us all the time of beating this dead horse again. Just follow the following link and you’ll find all the answers (and more) to the talking points you read on global warming denial sites: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 

you'll find that the answer to your talking points are listed at #27 and #34. Be sure to check the links if you remain unconvinced by the short answer. There will be a pop quizz so be sure to read it all.

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

Spoken like a missionary quoting Bible verses. No original thought required.

[j_b]

so, are you ready for a pop-quizz?

[j_b]

I guess not. The really funny part is that people like you expect others to believe that "original thinking" out of the box would enable you to discuss climate science.

[Fairweather]

There were only 73 theses on your web page--a full 22 fewer than Martin Luther produced!

 

So did you read Dr. Easterbrook's main paper? Seriously: I give you peer-reviewed science from a practicing environmental geologist/glaciologist at a reputable university and you give me a HOBBY PAGE from a supposed "ex-physicist who only recently "became interested in global warming." Amazing.

 

You are exactly like a born-again. There's no amount of science and reasonable debate that will cause you to second guess your beliefs--which is exactly what you should be doing in any event.

Edited November 15, 2009 by Fairweather

[j_b]

There were only 73 theses on your web page--a full 22 fewer than Martin Luther produced!

 

The answers to 73 denialist talking points ranked in order of frequency of use on the web.

 

So did you read Dr. Easterbrook's main paper?

 

Main paper? which main paper?

[j_b]

Seriously: I give you peer-reviewed science from a practicing environmental geologist/glaciologist at a reputable university and you give me a HOBBY PAGE from a supposed "ex-physicist who only recently "became interested in global warming." Amazing.

 

I haven't read all of Easterbrooks' work but I don't see any peer-reviewed science from him that contradicts global warming science. Which paper are you talking about?

 

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/geoev.pdf

 

not sure why the hyperlinks aren't kicking in. Copy and paste into your address bar.

[j_b]

As far as I can tell that hasn't been published and if it hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed publication, it isn't peer-reviewed. Do you actually understand what you are talking about?

[Fairweather]

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/resume.htm

 

Scroll down to "p-u-b-l-i-c-a-t-i-o-n-s".

 

 

Meanwhile, I would love it if you would direct me to some of "John Cook ex-physicist's" publications...

 

 

 

[j_b]

Nope. There is no publication with the title found in that pdf. Also beware that some of the ones listed in publications are abstracts and not peer-reviewed.

[j_b]

John cook ex-physicist is only popularizing the science found in legitimate peer-reviewed publications as you can see by following the links found in the short answers. He doesn't pretend that he and a couple of scientists know better than the rest of the field. Do you understand?

[Fairweather]

Nope. There is no publication with the title found in that pdf. Also beware that some of the ones listed in publications are abstracts and not peer-reviewed.

 

Are you being willfully ignorant again? I can't keep up this spoon-feeding forever. At the link:

 

Publications

 

Books

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1999 Surface processes and landforms: Prentice Hall Publishing Co., 546 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1999, Interpretation of landforms from topographic maps and air photos: Prentice Hall Publishing Co., 193 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1993, Surface processes and landforms: Macmillan Publishing Co., 520 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1993, Interpretation of landforms from topographic maps and air photos: Western Washington University Press, 185 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1982, Potential geologic natural landmarks, Cascade Range, Washington: Heritage Conservation and Recreation Service, Dept. of Interior, Wash. D. C., 277 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1971, Geology and geomorphology of western Whatcom County, Washington: Western Washington State College Press, 68 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., and Rahm, D. A., 1970, Landforms of Washington: Union Printing Co., 156 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1969, Principles of Geomorphology: McGraw-Hill Book Co., 462 p.

 

A Few Selected Geologic Journal Publications

 

Easterbrook, D.J., submitted, Synchronous, late Pleistocene, ice sheet and alpine glacial fluctuations in the Northern and Southern hemispheres—implications for abrupt, global, climate changes, Boreas.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., 2005, Causes and effects of abrupt, global, climate changes and global warming: Geological Society of America.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., Evenson, E.B., Gosse, J., Ivy-Ochs,S., Kovanen, D.J., and Sherard, C.A., 2004, Synchronous, Global, Late Pleistocene Ice Sheet And Alpine Glacial Fluctuations, Geological Society of America.

 

Sherard, C.A., Easterbrook, D.J., Evenson, E.B., Gosse, J., Ivy-Ochs,S., and Kovanen, D.J., 2004, Late Pleistocene alpine glacial oscillations in the North Cascades, WA and Sawtooth Mts., ID and their relationship to global climatic changes, Geological Society of America.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Global, double, younger dryas, glacial fluctuations in ice sheets and alpine glaciers, International Quaternary Association.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Synchronicity and sensitivity of alpine and continental glaciers to abrupt, global, climatic changes during the Younger Dryas, 2003, Geological Society of America.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., 2002, Implications of Younger Dryas glacial fluctuations in the western U.S., New Zealand, and Europe, Geological Society of America.

 

Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Determinaton of 36Cl production rates from the well-dated deglaciation surfaces of Whidbey and Fidalgo Islands, Washington Quaternary Research, v. 59, p.132-134.

 

Kovanen, D. J., and Easterbrook, D. J., 2002, Radiocarbon reservoir values for late Pleistocene marine shells in the Fraser Lowland of western north America.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., and Kovanen, D. J., 1998, “Pre-Younger Dryas Resurgence of the southwestern Margin of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, British Columbia, Canada”—Comments: Boreas, v. 27, p. 229-230, Oslo, Norway.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1994, Chronology of Pre-late Wisconsin Pleistocene the Puget Lowland, Washington: in Lasmanis, R., and Cheney, E. S., Regional Geology of Washington State, Washington Division of Geology and Earth Resources, Bulletin 80, p. 191-206.

 

Berger G. W.,. and Easterbrook, D. J., 1993, Thermoluminescence dating tests for lacustrine, glaciomarine, and floodplain sediments from western Washington and British Columbia: Canadian Journal of Earth Science, vol. 30, p. p. 1815-1828.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1992, Advance and retreat of Cordilleran ice sheets in Washington, U.S.A.: Geographie Physique et Quaternaire, v. 46, no. 1, p. 51-68.

 

Berger, G. W., Burke, R. M., Carver, G. A., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1991, Test of thermo-luminescence dating with coastal sediments from northern California: Chemical Geology, Isotope Geoscience Section, Elsevier Science Publishers, v. 87, p. 21-37.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., Naeser, N. A., and Roland, J., and Carson, R. J., 1988, Application of paleomagnetism, fission-track dating, and tephra chronology to Lower Pleistocene sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: in Dating Quaternary Sediments, Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, p 139-165 .

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1988, Paleomagnetism of Quaternary sediments: in Dating Quaternary Sediments, Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, 111-122.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., 1988, Dating Quaternary Sediments: Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, 165 p.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., and Boellstorff, J., 1984, Paleomagnetism and chronology of early Pleistocene tills in the central U.S.: in Correlation of Quaternary Chronologies: Geobooks, Norwich, United Kingdom, p. 73-90.

 

Easterbrook,·D.·J., 1983 Remanent magnetism in glacial tills and related diamictons: in Symposium volume, Genesis of glacial deposits, Balkema Publ. Co., Rotterdam, Netherlands, p. 303-313.

 

Isterbruk, D D (Easterbrook, D J.); Bullstorf, D. (Boellstorff, J.), 1982, Paleomagnetizm i khronologiya rannepleystotsenovykh moren Tsentra SShA (Paleomagnetism and chronology of early Pleistocene moraines in the central United States): Issledovaniya chetvertichnogo perioda (izbrannyye doklady XI kongressa INKVA), Studies of the Quaternary period, selected papers from the XI INQUA congress, Editors: Kartashov, I P; Nikiforova, K. V., Mezhdunarodnyy soyuz po izucheniyu chetvertichnogo perioda, XI, Moscow, USSR, Izd. Nauka, Moscow, USSR, p. 122-127.

 

Easterbrook, D. J., and Boellstorff, J., 1981, Age and correlation of early Pleistocene glaciations based on paleomagnetic and fission track dating in North America: International Geological Correlation Program, Report. no. 6, Prague, Czech., p. 72-82.

[Fairweather]

John cook ex-physicist is only popularizing the science found in legitimate peer-reviewed publications as you can see by following the links found in the short answers. He doesn't pretend that he and a couple of scientists know better than the rest of the field. Do you understand?

 

Is there such thing as an "ex" physicist? I'll have to do some checking to see if this guy was ever a physicist--or just a lab rat. Probably a poseur, crackpot, or a wannabe--like you.

 

In any event, you're demanding a standard from my argument that you are unwilling/unable to apply to yourself.

[j_b]

you are claiming that Easterbrook has a peer-reviewed publication that contradicts global warming science. Now you have to show it to us and you can't because it doesn't exist. Easterbrook is a glacial geologist with a long and productive career who is now emeritus (retired). It appears that his work on the cause of global warming doesn't meet the standard of peer-reviewed publications. End of story.

[Fairweather]

I would say that a glacial geologist (who, BTW, studies the medium containing the record of climate change) has a perspective on the subject that rates higher than a hobbyist, yes?

 

My God. Did you even complete high school?

[j_b]

In any event, you're demanding a standard from my argument that you are unwilling/unable to apply to yourself.

 

Nonsense. The minimum standard I am demanding is that people who actively claim to know better than the immense majority of experts be climate scientists and support their argument with published science. How am I not applying these standards to myself or that ex-physicist?

Edited November 15, 2009 by j_b

[Fairweather]

Publications

 

8 books, 150 journal publications

Presented 30 research papers at international meetings in 12 countries outside the US

Current Research Projects

 

* Cause of the global climate changes, global warming

* Cause of abrupt global climatic changes at the termination of the last Ice Age.

* Relationship of 25-year, glacial, and ocean warming and cooling cycles to solar irradiance and global warming

* Relationship of atmospheric cosmogenic isotope (10Be, 14C) production rates to global climate change

* 14C, and cosmogenic 10Be isotope dating of glacial deposits in the Cascade Range, Sawtooth Range, New Zealand Alps, and the Argentine Andes and Columbia Plateau

* Correlation of Quaternary interhemispheric climate changes

* Measurement of radiocarbon marine reservoir values

* Early Holocene glaciation of the Cascade Range

* Tephra and lahar chronology of Mt. Baker

* Interpretation of LIDAR imagery of glacial topography in western Washington

* Use of shorelines to determine isostatic uplift rates in the Puget Lowland

* Cause of debris torrents

 

Offices in Professional Societies

 

International

 

* Director of field excursions for the 2003 International Quaternary Congress.

* Associate Editor, GEOMORPHOLOGY (International Journal)

* U.S. representative to UNESCO International Geological Correlation Project, Glaciations in the Northern Hemisphere

* Member of International Geological Correlation Project, UNESCO

* Member of International Quaternary Association

* Member, Commission on Quaternary Stratigraphy of North America

* Founding member of American Quaternary Association

 

National

 

* Associate Editor, Geological Society of America Bulletin .

* Received national award for "Distinguished service to the Quaternary Geology and

* Geomorphology Division, Geological Society of America.”

* Elected national chairman of Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division, Geological Society of America

* Elected national 1st-vice-chairman of Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division, Geological Society of America

* Elected national 2nd-vice-chairman of Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology

Division, Geological Society of America

* Elected national secretary of the Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division, Geological Society of America, 6 times (12 years)

* Chairman of the Geological Society of America national meeting in Seattle

* National Chairman of the Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Panel to select the Kirk Bryan Award for the best paper in geomorphology

* Member of national Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division Management Board

* Member of national Geological Society of American Committee on Grants and Awards

* National council member, American Quaternary Research Association.

 

Membership in Professional Organizations

 

* Geological Society of America (Fellow)

* Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division (past president)

* American Geophysical Union

* International Quaternary Assoc.

* American Quaternary Assoc.

 

Research Grants and Awards

 

* 8 NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION Research Grants

* 3 Department of Interior Research Grants

* U.S. Geological Survey Research Grant

* Council on Governments Research Grant

 

Papers Presented at International Meetings

 

* Geological Society of America, Vancouver, B.C.

* Geological Society of America, Toronto, Ont.

* International Quaternary Assoc. Congress, Ottawa, Ontario

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Paris, France

* International Quaternary Assoc. Congress, Moscow, USSR

* International Quaternary Assoc. Congress Field Conference, Leningrad, USSR

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Kyoto, Japan

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Kiel, West Germany

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Ostrava, Czechoslovakia

* International Quaternary Association Commission, Zurich, Switzerland

* International Quaternary Congress, Birmington, England

* International Quaternary Association Commission, Reykjavik, Iceland

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Prague, Czechoslovakia

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Stuttgart, Germany

* International Quaternary Association Commission, Stockholm, Sweden

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Prague, Czechoslovakia

* International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, Grenoble, France

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Prague, Czechoslovakia

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Salzburg, Austria

* International Quaternary Congress, Christchurch, New Zealand

* International Geological Correlation Program (UNESCO), Koln, Germany

* International Geological Congress, Montreal, Canada

* International Quaternary Congress, Paris, France

* Geological Society of America, Mexico City, Mexico

* International Geological Congress, Prague, Czechoslovakia

 

[j_b]

and no publication that contradicts global warming science despite your assertion to the contrary.

[j_b]

I would say that a glacial geologist (who, BTW, studies the medium containing the record of climate change) has a perspective on the subject that rates higher than a hobbyist, yes?

 

irrelevant. The ex-physicist isn't contradicting any major aspect of climate science. He only put a site together answering the same old denialist talking points that scientists have been refuting for 20 years. Nothing more.

 

My God. Did you even complete high school?

 

talking to you certainly makes me feel as if I were still in high school.

[Stonehead]

450 peer-reviewed papers critical of anthropogenic causes as the sole source and/or most significant contributor to climate change, aka global warming:

 

450 peer-reviewed papers

 

I'm familiar enough with the world of science research to know that investigators are fallible as all of us in their motivations arising from either their predominant paradigm or from more base desires. For instance, if you would care to google: 'National Institute of Health (NIH) fraud' you'd see links to numerous cases of scientific fraud committed for motives which drive grant seeking researchers. Now, I'm not suggesting that outright fraud is being committed in the field of climate science, only that our motivations can mask the truth.

 

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Perhaps the time is ripe for a synthesis of interpretations to best fit the data?

[bradleym]

Perhaps the time is ripe for a synthesis of interpretations to best fit the data?

 

Hegel was wrong. Didn't you get the memo? Give it up.

[Stonehead]

Hegel? He's dead.

 

Care to elaborate?