viktor Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 3rd Edition is in the works. Seeking info on new routes and other relevant info. Also need scenic and action photos. thanks to all -Viktor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Â Looking for any scenic/action photos in particular? Â Â BTW: I talked to Fred Beckey recently about his early ascents of Classic Crack. In your book you say he and the boys laid it back. I asked him about that and he said, "I think we jammed it... yeah, I'm pretty sure we jammed it." Â I dunno how well he remembers it, since he (jokingly) said, "not sure I could even find CC right now", but I'm curious where you got the laybacking story? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboboy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The 1965 orange covered Leavenworth guide (by Fred) refers to "a severe layback problem just opposite the Mountaineer creek trail departure..." Maybe that refers to classic crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherri Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Great to hear, Viktor. Â Any chance it will include a more detailed topo and accompanying route descriptions for Castle Rock? Hard to suss out exactly what is where on that w/the current one--the routes there aren't always obvious as some of the lines wander along discontinuous crack systems. Â Keep us posted...looking foward to it. Â My very first day of rockclimbing...on none other than Classic Crack. No liebacking there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Sherri, I agree with you about Castle Rock and, for that matter, Snow Creek Wall. Parties routinely have difficulty identifying some of the most classic and seemingly well-known climbs in the entire region and each subsequent edition of a guidebook seems to provide less and less information in the interest of saving space because there are so many other climbs to cover. This is not specific to Viktor's books - the same has been happened with all the books whether from Beckey, Carlstadt, Brooks, Whitelaw, or Smoot. Â Midway has been depicted incorrectly since the very first guidebook it appeared in, and classic climbs like Saints and Angel have always been poorly illustrated. Orbit has confused many many climbers over the years. Etc. Â I once proposed that we create some on-line mini guides for cascadeclimbers.com and I even worked up some prototypes but the project never got very far. I have also posted topo's like one for Midway and another for Mary Jane though, in the first instance, I drew some quips and criticism for devoting energy to describing such an easy climb. Cascadeclimbers would be doing more to live up to it's stated mission if we saw more of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Viktor, I've sent some info in a private message. In public, I want to say that I have always thought your drawings were excellent. They are attractive and informative and, in my view, just plain fun to look at. I know photo's are de riguer these days, but a drawing or two might be helpful for some of the routes or crags that merit extra attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherri Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Good points and well-stated, Matt. Â Saber is another one that I see folks getting lost on all the time. Everyone seems to get sucked into that polished dihedral on the right instead of traversing left toward Saber Ledge(which, if you don't know where it is from previous ascents, is hard to see while on the route). As the guidebook indicates to "climb the big corner on polished holds", it's easy to understand why folks miss the face traverse below the ledge. Â Approach times/distances would also be a nifty feature, though it's not a deal-breaker. Just nice to know ahead of time how long you'll be slogging uphill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR_Guy Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I'll echo the comments on more / better route descriptions and topos. Â This relative newbie would have been completly lost using the existing book had I not followed Saber the first time I climbed it (exactly what Sherri said). Â Also, I was with 2 much more experienced climbers the first time I tried R&D and we ended up on "The Ramp" after a Cocaine Connection start, which was (more than) a little hairy trying to lead on a 5.8 pitch when I thought I'd be on only a 5.6. With a good drawing/topo (or much more close up photo) of the crag, I suspect finding and following the correct route would have been a lot easier. Â I'll add that perhaps these comments should apply to areas that have a higher concentration of lower graded routes. The 5.12 hardmen climbers could probably scamper up pretty much anything they come to - us 5.7 on gear leaders on the other hand.... well, I like to know what I'm getting into and which way to go once I'm there. Â Regarding what Matt said - perhaps a supplemental web site such as what the Exit 32 / 38 guides have (http://www.northbendrock.com/). Were there topo's / drawings in the older editions? If so, perhaps they could be posted here on CC or on a dedicated web site linked with the guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwebster Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hey Victor, here are some links to Leavenworth trip reports hosted on my site. I took all the pictures, and have high res versions of most of them if needed:  http://www.websterart.com/html/july22_07nick.html  http://www.websterart.com/html/leav6-22-08.html  http://www.websterart.com/html/pinnacles4-08.html  http://www.websterart.com/html/june2-07_hardies.html  http://www.websterart.com/html/poisen_ivy07.html  On a side note, our son Clint just got hired as an RN at Tacoma General ER room. It's been a long time since our sons played together up at jy crag. Back when we were young...seems like yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Â It would be cool to see a topo and/or better photos of Champagne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideT61 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Any updates on when this will be out? This spring maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Where's all the new routes folks? I know stuff is going down all the time, cough it up! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spore Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Seems to be lots of zipped lips about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I guess I can see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spore Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yes ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spore Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Glad thats done. Â NEXT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankazoid Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Viktor- Â Good to hear. Got any more detailed beta for Bridge Crk wall, area 51, or non-wall? that would be cool. thanks for the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcp Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Anyone know when the new book is scheduled to come out? I have heard rumors of some cool climbs, and would love to get on them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viktor Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 End of March. Check here for updates or to reserve your copy. www.leavenworthrockclimbing.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Right on VK! Thanks for all your hard work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I've seen the proofs, they looks great! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherri Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Just curious, is this one of your proofs, Viktor? I found a stack of them, depicting several newly developed crags. I've wondered who to credit for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Ditto what Lanceman says ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmatt Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Sweet! I can't wait to see the update! Â Â . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alps Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Just checked out the sample pages. Looks great - can't wait to get a copy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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