prole Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 American woman, said get away American woman, listen what I say Don’t come hangin’ around my door Don’t wanna see your face no more I don’t need your war machines I don’t need your ghetto scenes Coloured lights can hypnotize Sparkle someone else’s eyes Now woman, get away from me American woman, mama let me be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Does Obama look and sound that bad when he's being interviewed? God, talk about stiff and cold! "Um, uh, eh, um, um, um, uh, so what I mean is, um, er..." Qp0hU1THjuc You can't be serious about Obama. The guy is NOT articulate in the least...without his teleprompter. He obviously has a slow processor installed--or needs a new sound card put on his motherboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Puget and EricB don't want to talk about it, but I'll do some of their homework for them. Here's the recent lies I can think of: McCain Lies Obama wants to teach sex ed in kindergarten Palin said thanks but no thanks to bridge from nowhere Obama wants to raise your taxes We can defeat the terrorists through military action We can drill our way to oil independence Obama Lies McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years I can get us out of Iraq in 16 months without leaving a mess behind This is just a start, based on a few short minutes' reflection. Can cc.com's fact checkers add to these lists? Obama: "I'm only going to raise taxes on the wealthiest 5% of Americans. Ever one else's taxes will go down." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 As Campaign Heats Up, Untruths Can Become Facts Before They're Undone By Jonathan Weisman Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 10, 2008; A01 ... A Washington Post-ABC News poll taken Sept. 5 to Sept. 7 found that 51 percent of voters think Obama would raise their taxes, even though his plan would actually cut taxes for the overwhelming majority of Americans. Obama has proposed eliminating income taxes on seniors making less than $50,000 a year, but 41 percent of those seniors say their income taxes would go up in an Obama administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Fairweather, do you think: * Obama wants to teach sex ed in kindergarten * Palin said thanks but no thanks to bridge from nowhere * Obama wants to raise your taxes * We can defeat the terrorists through military action * We can drill our way to oil independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) Show me the numbers. Do you honestly think Obama will lower (or leave static) taxes on the bottom 95% of Americans? Seriously? Edited September 15, 2008 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Do you honestly think Obama has the credentials to be our next president? (We're not talking VP here.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Seems I remember something like this happening the last time we elected a democrat to take over for a Bush in the white house. A major problem with the economy at the time was the issue of the massive deficit and the problem of government spending. In order to address these issues, in August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[18] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years and the deficit be reduced.[19] This was to be achieved through the implementation of spending restraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Do you honestly think Obama has the credentials to be our next president? (We're not talking VP here.) Of coarse, just to throw this in, I would take Obamas credentials as a US Senator having to deal with national issues, policies and laws over that of a hockey mom clown from the great northern outback any day of the week. What is the size and make up of the Alaska electorate again? As for Obama vs McCain I wouldn't vote for either one based on credentials - George Bush has (or will have) 8 years of presidential experience and thus we should all demand a constitutional change and hold mass pro-bush rallies demanding our "experienced" "leader" continue to "lead" us. ..just sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Seems I remember something like this happening the last time we elected a democrat to take over for a Bush in the white house. A major problem with the economy at the time was the issue of the massive deficit and the problem of government spending. In order to address these issues, in August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[18] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years and the deficit be reduced.[19] This was to be achieved through the implementation of spending restraints. "Specifics": Specifics * It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals. * It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations. * The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed. * Transportation fuels taxes were hiked by 4.3 cents per gallon. * The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised. * The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended. Didn't affect whom? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Oh give me a break. That was about as doctored as the picture of Palin in the bikini with the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 A bunch of spliced audio. Any reason why the "video" doesn't play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Ya know FW, I just don't understand guys like you. I thought McCain was pretty good before he sold his independent soul for the Republican Nomination. At least Obama got the better of the mainstream (far left) democrats by taking the nomination away from Hilary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Oh, I thought you were referring to the Wiki article. The Obama Youtube is obviously edited. (Duh?) Are you honestly saying you haven't noticed that the man has a few problems processing speech that requires thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Actually, if you compare the four people before us, Obama is by far the better speaker out of all by far. So no, I don't. You could make a honest debate over other issues, but your candidate of choice (and his VP) don't even come close to Obama's ability to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Ya know Doug, I just don't understand a guy who's willing to throw his anti-war stand out the window for political expedience, or a party that's willing to throw glass ceiling issues down the toilet simply because their own female candidate isn't the messenger they decided on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Gee FW, I wonder why so many working class folks failed to hold your "specifics" against Old Bill Clinton? Couldn't be because they finally noticed some fairness (pun intended) coming into the tax system could it? Couldn't be because over all, the economy made great gains on behalf of all of us rather than just the wealthiest 5%? Why is it that rich people are so against allowing the other _% (what ever the majority is) to enjoy a little prosperity as well? How many houses can John McCain live in at one time anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Actually, if you compare the four people before us, Obama is by far the better speaker out of all by far. So no, I don't. You could make a honest debate over other issues, but your candidate of choice (and his VP) don't even come close to Obama's ability to speak. Both of the VP candidates out-speak their bosses. Obama cannot speak unprompted. Take another look between now and election day. The debates will likely reveal this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Are you honestly saying you haven't noticed that the man has a few problems processing speech that requires thought? Um, no I have not noticed that. I notice that he seems to be a bit more capable of at least appearing to be in thought prior o speaking, and that when he does speak at least some of what he says isn't totally scripted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) Gee FW, I wonder why so many working class folks failed to hold your "specifics" against Old Bill Clinton? Couldn't be because they finally noticed some fairness (pun intended) coming into the tax system could it? Couldn't be because over all, the economy made great gains on behalf of all of us rather than just the wealthiest 5%? Why is it that rich people are so against allowing the other _% (what ever the majority is) to enjoy a little prosperity as well? Maybe because the top 5% are already shouldering over 50% of the personal tax burden? Do you really want to talk fairness? http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6 Edited September 15, 2008 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 So, FW; get any climbing in this weekend before this latest round of trolls? I did ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fairweather Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 So, FW; get any climbing in this weekend before this latest round of trolls? I did ! Good for you! Actually, this is the only weekend all summer that I didn't climb--or mountain bike. Spent a couple days in Cannon Beach with my wife and kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Nice! Wife's parents have a place down there, so we get down there quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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