KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I figured as much. You too like to make blanket statements and take pot shots but then exit stage right when I question your rhteoric. are you a 'bot? this is ridiculous. go back to your "dialog" with FW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Instead, why don't you come to the beach this rainy evening. We can toast our good fortune to have this great climbers' resource called cascadeclimbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Instead, why don't you come to the beach this rainy evening. We can toast our good fortune to have this great climbers' resource called cascadeclimbers. I biked today. Leaving in 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Allright then. Raincheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 By the way, just to stay on track here, we could ask who might make a more inspiring leader. The really important question is this one: Who would you rather have at your barbeque, McCain or Obama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Who would you rather have at your barbeque, McCain or Obama? Obama doesn't have much meat on his bones, and McCain would require a lot of marinade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 McCain. Obama would be dull as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) McccccccccccccccCAIN, I DON'T EAT DARK MEAT Edited August 13, 2008 by pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Fairweather, which one of the bill of rights is about privacy? What makes you think you have any? So much information about you is gathered every day, collated, traded, and sold to the highest bidder. Who are you worried about knowing your health history? The government? Hell, the insurance industry knows all about you and your health history, and I don't trust those folks very much. Control? Hey, you're free to have any medical procedure you want to pay for (well, except assisted suicide), but if you want your health insurance to pay for it you don't really have all that much control now, do you? If you want to fight "socialized medicine" does that mean you want to do away with the veterans health care system and completely dismantle medicare? Maybe you should lobby John McCain to go public with this agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggler Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 how do you reconcile issues of privacy and liberty within a government-controlled health care system? Exactly the same way you do today. Today if you prefer to keep your medical records private, you can choose not to use an insurance company today. This option is still avalible to you in a publicly funded system. Simply opt out. Nobody is suggesting that you will be made to go to public health care facilities. You must simply pay your part for insurace that covers you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Fairweather, which one of the bill of rights is about privacy? What makes you think you have any? OW, which one of the ammendments in the Bill or Rights says the government is responsible for assuring universal health care coverage? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canyondweller Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Why is it that the economy suffered and the Federal deficit went up after both the Reagan tax cuts and the Bush tax cuts? Are you high, right now? Clearly, all the weed you have smoked has affected your memory. The economy during the '80's/'90's sucked? Not really. If you could recall, you might remember that Ronald Reagan ran for President promising tax cuts. When he was elected, he felt honor-bound to fulfill that promise; unfortunately, he was up against a strongly Democrat-controlled Congress. In order to get his tax cut, he had to agree to a shit ton of spending that the Democrats wanted. President Bush actually raised taxes, if you remember. Cutting taxes actually raised tax revenues, but spending also went up...spending money is the job of Congress, not the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Nobody is suggesting that you will be made to go to public health care facilities. Hillary Clinton's proposal in 1993/94 proposed just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Fairweather, which one of the bill of rights is about privacy? What makes you think you have any? So the upset you and Matt always express about Bush's perceived privacy invasions is just unfounded hysteria. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkporwit Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) Fairweather, which one of the bill of rights is about privacy? OW, although the right to privacy is not explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights (or anywhere else in the Constitution for that matter), the Supreme Court has determined that such a right is provided to us constitutionally. This implied right to privacy is the lynchpin of the Roe V Wade decision. So the upset you and Matt always express about Bush's perceived privacy invasions is just unfounded hysteria. Got it. FW, given that right to privacy does exist, those violations sure as hell are not merely perceived Edited August 13, 2008 by mkporwit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The properly planned trip report requires recording all events to some medium (even at the expense of actually enjoying the moment) to ensure that the TR will be properly documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The properly planned trip report requires recording all events to some medium (even at the expense of actually enjoying the moment) to ensure that the TR will be properly documented. every tr needs pics. otherwise it sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 polo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Nobody is suggesting that you will be made to go to public health care facilities. Hillary Clinton's proposal in 1993/94 proposed just that. Did Hillary Clinton really propose to close or nationalize all private clinics and hospitals? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Nobody is suggesting that you will be made to go to public health care facilities. Hillary Clinton's proposal in 1993/94 proposed just that. Did Hillary Clinton really propose to close or nationalize all private clinics and hospitals? I don't think so. By most accounts, it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 As far as I can tell, "most accounts" that you refer to are B.S. I've been looking for a source to support your argument for over an hour now, and can't find it . Here are a couple of links: wikipedia health security act See what you can dig up, but I think you've been fooled by industry-based propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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