Tokogirl Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Hey, how about Afghanistan? We should have origianlly worked harder with NATO and other forces to stabilize that country as much as possible. We cannot "police" the whole world. Quote
kevbone Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Bush gets his 160 billion to keep occupying Iraq. When is it going to end? Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq. And as far as an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, well after so many years there, the Iraqis have not taken the ball and run with it. Our soldiers should not be kept in harms way trying to support the disasterous policies of lame duck W. I really deisagree wholeheartedly. The military and the police have been holding their own and have conducted some relatively complicated maneuvers with minimal guidance from the americans. Many ops are being completed wholy free of US guidance. I would like to hear any evidence that you have to suggest that the Iraqis are not "taking the ball." They are facing death threats and actual death daily in choosing to serve their country and for that I applaud them. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 Hey, how about Afghanistan? We should have origianlly worked harder with NATO and other forces to stabilize that country as much as possible. We cannot "police" the whole world. How so? Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 Bush gets his 160 billion to keep occupying Iraq. When is it going to end? Upon completion of the mission. Quote
olyclimber Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 the mission is defined by the commander in chief Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 the mission is defined by the commander in chief Yes. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 As we fight the terrorists, we're working to build capable and effective Iraqi security forces, so they can take the lead in the fight -- and eventually take responsibility for the safety and security of their citizens without major foreign assistance. And on the economic side, we're helping the Iraqis rebuild their infrastructure, reform their economy, and build the prosperity that will give all Iraqis a stake in a free and peaceful Iraq. In doing all this we have involved the United Nations, other international organizations, our coalition partners, and supportive regional states in helping Iraqis build their future. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 The Iraqis fought and sustained casualties. Yet in most situations, the Iraqi role was limited to protecting the flanks of coalition forces, and securing ground that had already been cleared by our troops. This year in TAL Afar, it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces -- 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support. Many Iraqi units conducted their own anti-terrorist operations and controlled their own battle space -- hunting for enemy fighters and securing neighborhoods block-by-block. To consolidate their military success, Iraqi units stayed behind to help maintain law and order -- and reconstruction projects have been started to improve infrastructure and create jobs and provide hope. One of the Iraqi soldiers who fought in TAL Afar was a private named Tarek Hazem. This brave Iraqi fighter says, "We're not afraid. We're here to protect our country. All we feel is motivated to kill the terrorists." Iraqi forces not only cleared the city, they held it. And because of the skill and courage of the Iraqi forces, the citizens of TAL Afar were able to vote in October's constitutional referendum. I doubt you would have the balls to tell Tarek that he dropped the ball Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 19, 2008 Author Posted June 19, 2008 WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS SCOTT! Oh I am brother! Quote
olyclimber Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 funny how concept of "peace in the middle east" used to be pretty much a joke, and now it has become our mission (for a chunk of it at least). will it be George W. Bush's legacy to be the president to finally bring peace to the middle east? Quote
Hugh Conway Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Oh I am brother! I hope you are doing better there than here............ Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq. bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts. Quote
olyclimber Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq. bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts. it seems like he wants to be president more than he wants to be different than W. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 McCain will be surrounded by the fools of W, the same ones that have created this political disaster in Iraq. bullshit. McCain couldn't be more different than W and he hates W's guts. it seems like he wants to be president more than he wants to be different than W. he's sucking up to get elected. he'll be his own man if he gets into office, no doubt about that. his chances are slim though - he's walking a tightrope even more precarious than Gore was in '00 Quote
Hugh Conway Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 he's sucking up to get elected. he'll be his own man if he gets into office, no doubt about that. his chances are slim though - he's walking a tightrope even more precarious than Gore was in '00 he's a maverick he's a freethinker he's a libertarian he's reading from the talking points Quote
olyclimber Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 sounds like a politician! say whatever you have to in order to get elected, then do whatever you want once you are. Quote
dt_3pin Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 John: "Oh George, I'm so sorry that I tried to stand up to the GOP's religious fucknut wing. I deserved everything you dished out in South Carolina." George: "Come to Jeeeeesus, Johnny, and you shall be foregiven." Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 sounds like a politician! say whatever you have to in order to get elected, then do whatever you want once you are. but you do have "reward" your supporters as well (with appointments and paybacks), so you might not get to do "whatever" you want Quote
olyclimber Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 heh, correct. quite a system we have here! or is it just the people? i believe that it is the republican view people are inherently good, and thus trustable with minimal oversight. the libs view people as inherently bad, and thus require tons of regulation. or is it the other way around? anyway, politics as usual. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 heh, correct. quite a system we have here! or is it just the people? i believe that it is the republican view people are inherently good, and thus trustable with minimal oversight. the libs view people as inherently bad, and thus require tons of regulation. or is it the other way around? anyway, politics as usual. "people" are inherently good. unfortunately, politicians are not human. Quote
mtn_mouse Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 have the balls let my balls out of this. Two quick issues about Iraq: 1 Should we have gone in, NO. 2 Should we have stayed: yes for a while since we did commit ourselves, our troops, our money, security issues. But, the time to have stayed, 6-7 years is past. Iraq must foot their own bill now. You'all can go home now. Quote
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