Hugh Conway Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 If herds need to be thinned in National Parks, then pay the rangers to do it. No need for hunters. If the ranchers on public lands don't like the nasty bison maybe they should get the fuck out of the ranching business and let us do what we want with our land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Wait a second. You, Fairweather, are unhappy because you think I was caustic? Back to the second and fourth amendments. How is your position here "consistent?"? Under the second amendment, any paranoiac who thinks he needs to carry a gun to protect himself is entitled to do so, but under the fourth amendment the government can eavesdrop with no warrant and no probable cause to do so? Not on internal communications between American citizens. I never said that. Has this been an issue with the Bush Administration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 If herds need to be thinned in National Parks, then pay the rangers to do it. No need for hunters. If the ranchers on public lands don't like the nasty bison maybe they should get the fuck out of the ranching business and let us do what we want with our land? those ranchers should be collectivized. and liquidated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 "moral relativism." Last I checked the was defined by the gap between what republican leader's say and how they conduct their personal lives, let alone the real effects of their political actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 "moral relativism." Last I checked the was defined by the disparity between what republican leader's say and how they conduct their personal lives and let alone their political actions. republicans do this, republicans are evil, they are to blame, blah blah blah. you are an extremist, partisan nut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 those ranchers should be collectivized. and liquidated. If they own the land thats one thing. If they have a sweetheart lease on government land thats quite another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 No, the hypocritical extremists who hijacked the republican party are the nutjobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 It's better defined as someone who likes to equate the relatively benign actions of an evangelical Christian population with the daily Muslim carnage strewn across front pages of the world's newspapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 No, the hypocritical extremists who hijacked the republican party are the nutjobs. You have things a bit twisted, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Not on internal communications between American citizens. I never said that. Has this been an issue with the Bush Administration? How is it any different whether I am calling a potential terrorist who lives in Oklahoma City and one who lives in Vancouver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 It's better defined as someone who likes to equate the relatively benign actions of an evangelical Christian population with the daily Muslim carnage strewn across front pages of the world's newspapers. or who proudly proclaims the positive benefits of using LSD on a recreational basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 The guy on the other end of the phone isn't protected by The US Constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 The hijackers were hypocrites? Hold the presses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 It's better defined as someone who likes to equate the relatively benign actions of an evangelical Christian population with the daily Muslim carnage strewn across front pages of the world's newspapers. or who proudly proclaims the positive benefits of using LSD on a recreational basis. What about one who proudly proclaims that he is going to ignore regulations pertaining to the use of mountain bikes in back country, or trail park passes? I think your pal Fairweather has done both. Can we talk about the 2nd amendment now or is it just bait and bash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 What about one who proudly proclaims that he is going to ignore regulations pertaining to the use of mountain bikes in back country, or trail park passes? ????? Personally I have owned a national park pass + golden eagle sticker every year since 2002, and have never violated rules about riding a bike on a trail where it is prohibited, so if you are accusing me, then f-off, dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 It's better defined as someone who likes to equate the relatively benign actions of an evangelical Christian population with the daily Muslim carnage strewn across front pages of the world's newspapers. or who proudly proclaims the positive benefits of using LSD on a recreational basis. What about one who proudly proclaims that he is going to ignore regulations pertaining to the use of mountain bikes in back country, or trail park passes? I think your pal Fairweather has done both. Can we talk about the 2nd amendment now or is it just bait and bash. I thought you believed in civil disobedience, Matt. As for the TP passes, I buy them. Not sure where you came up with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 KK, you are too fast for me. Less than 30 seconds after hitting "post" I realized I should note that I was referring to Mr. F, because I couldn't remember if you had offered similar statements of your "rights" to use public lands. Sorry to offend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Can we talk about the 2nd amendment now what about it? my take is people like you discount the language of the 2nd amendment while trying to make the 1st and 4th amendment mean anything under the sun. that's inconsistent. i personally am consistent. the amendments are not absolute. just as you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatrer, you can not own or use a firearm without some restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 It's better defined as someone who likes to equate the relatively benign actions of an evangelical Christian population with the daily Muslim carnage strewn across front pages of the world's newspapers. or who proudly proclaims the positive benefits of using LSD on a recreational basis. What about on a professional basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I couldn't remember whether you'd made that statement about the trail park passes or not, Fairweather. NOw, about the 2nd amendment.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 KK, do "people like you" think the phrase referring to the need for a well organized militia has no relevance in the 2nd amendment? Why was it placed there? What to you is a particularly twisted application of the 1st or 4th amendments? Requiring Bush and CO to comply with the law and get a rubber stamp "blanket" warrant from a FISA court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Barring the repair of the Dosewallips Road; sometime in late July, I will be riding my mountain bike up the Dosewallips trail--inside ONP--to just below the Deception Creek junction, where I will proceed on foot to Hayden Pass and Eel Glacier on Mount Anderson. I may or may not have a .38 revolver concealed in a pouch attached to my pack belt. If I am somehow apprehended, I will call you to defend me in court. What do you charge per hour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I couldn't remember whether you'd made that statement about the trail park passes or not, Fairweather. NOw, about the 2nd amendment.... you couldn't remember if he made the statement or not, so you just accused him of it anyway? WTF, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 you couldn't remember if he made the statement or not, so you just accused him of it anyway? WTF, dude. There's that reading comprehension problem again. I wrote "I THINK he has done both." I knew that I might be wrong about the second one and indicated that I wasn't sure. And I knew that if so, he'd corrected me - so now his reputation for honesty and obeying the law remains intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 (edited) you can not own or use a firearm without some restrictions. "You damn raht. I had to wait me a whole week for this sumbitch!" Edited March 1, 2008 by prole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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