marylou Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 You're probably a carrier, Steffie. :::: Quote
joblo7 Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Or you can trot down to your nearest PCC and try to take care of it with love and understanding by gently nudging it out with doses of metamusil and meditation. There are some nudgers and some explosive cleansers. I would still like to know what specifically is recommended for giardia. BTW, there are other water born bugs out there these days. Don't necessarily assume it's the big G. I have been drinking water from nasty places all of my life. No serious results so far. I'm probably a carrier. got it a couple times in peru. i cured it with the natural way AND ALSO WITH DRUGS(usually used drugs if i was on a route) the natural way is a 2-3 step program with capsules and drops.(walnut husks and some ohter stuff. you dont feel a thing. very effective. you feel 80% cured after 24-36 hours but need to take caps for up to a month to be sure. i stopped a couple times after 10 days and it was fine. with drugs you feel 80% cured after 12-18 hr.it is a powerfull antibiotic that kills giardia and everything in your stomac.flora, enzymes,it weakens your immune system. Quote
G-spotter Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 I am immune to giarda. I have built up an immunity. Because of the nature of the cysts and the permanent damage they do to your innards, it's actually something that you get worse, every time you get it. Quote
rob Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 I am immune to giarda. I have built up an immunity. Interesting. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder. Quote
archenemy Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 I also thought Giardia was something you could build an immunity to. I drink from Silver creek regularly, and have had periods of time that I feel a bit not-so-regular, but never anything too bad. I thought I was just getting exposed a little bit and that I was building a resistance to it. Sounds like that ain't true. Quote
rob Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 According to my doctor, some people can build an immunity to it. But, he says, not to iocane. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 I thought you either were immune to it period (and are a carrier) or you can get it. that is, you can't build an immunity but could have it. Quote
lI1|1! Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 i've just been googling giardia immunity and the concensus seems to be that that the mechanisms are multiple and not completely understood. link i also remember reading a while back that some researchers were starting to think most cases of giardia were not from drinking water but from poor hygiene in the woods, ie not washing your hands after you go poopoo. Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 yeah, i've heard that theory too. i wanna believe it so i can stop carrying my stupid filter, but there's too many diseased cc.comer butts out there for my comfort. Quote
sirwoofalot Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 yeah, i've heard that theory too. i wanna believe it so i can stop carrying my stupid filter, but there's too many diseased cc.comer butts out there for my comfort. Will a filter get out G.? I thought it would take a purifier. Quote
lI1|1! Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 i gave up on the mechanical reliability of filters years ago and go with iodine. i like those polar pure crystals in the bottle and use the colman neutralizer pills with it. usually tho i'm just melting snow. i've heard too many stories about people becoming lactose intolerant possibly from giardia and don't like to take chances. i need foods like cheese and ice cream to be fully happy. Quote
archenemy Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 i've just been googling giardia immunity and the concensus seems to be that that the mechanisms are multiple and not completely understood. link i also remember reading a while back that some researchers were starting to think most cases of giardia were not from drinking water but from poor hygiene in the woods, ie not washing your hands after you go poopoo. There are a lot of nasties you can get from not washing up after doing your business. Alcohol-based hand purifiers are good in a "pinch", butt, good old soap and water should be used whenever possible. Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 most people don't use enough alcohol to kill everything on their hands anyway. that's why I do a more inside-out approach with it. Quote
crackers Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 If you've had it you'd know. Basically all i remember is being in a face down, kneeling and rocking fetal ball with large-scale cramps cycling from my asshole to my throat at a rate of about once every three seconds. Couldn't agree more. Now his second comment, well, I'd like to imagine that I would have noticed that... Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 If you've had it you'd know. Basically all i remember is being in a face down, kneeling and rocking fetal ball with large-scale cramps cycling from my asshole to my throat at a rate of about once every three seconds. you sure you weren't just in a porn flick? Quote
lI1|1! Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Alcohol-based hand purifiers are good in a "pinch", butt, good old soap and water should be used whenever possible. i work in a medical setting and the new thing seems to be that purell works better at killing germs than soap and water. i've heard this straight from a microbiologist's mouth. other opinions obviously exist. catbird? they're installing these wall mounted purell dispensers everywhere. Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 the kicker there is that soap and water never has killed germs, only washed them away (except for antibacterial soaps). but alcohol needs to be used liberally so it has time to kill stuff before it evaporates. with that qualification, yes, it's a better killer. Quote
archenemy Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 I am no medical expert. I read that by using more disinfectants, we are actually creating stronger, more resistant bugs right in our very kitchens. Have you read this? Is is just hype that gullible people like me believe? Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 I am no medical expert. I read that by using more disinfectants, we are actually creating stronger, more resistant bugs right in our very kitchens. Have you read this? Is is just hype that gullible people like me believe? yes. it's better to leave everything filthy, and lick your floors and countertops periodically to increase your resistance to bacteria. Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 antibiotic/antibacterial stuff, not just any disinfectant germs are not likely to develop a resistance to lysol, bleach, alcohol, etc. anytime soon. that WOULD be scary! Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 antibiotic/antibacterial stuff, not just any disinfectant germs are not likely to develop a resistance to lysol, bleach, alcohol, etc. anytime soon. that WOULD be scary! I think the idea is that we are not developing a resistance to bacteria by constantly cleansing our environment of them. Quote
marylou Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 i gave up on the mechanical reliability of filters years ago and go with iodine. i like those polar pure crystals in the bottle and use the colman neutralizer pills with it. Iodine does not kill the crypto, unfortunately. Quote
G-spotter Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 If you don't have a compromised immune system already crypto is not a big worry. Quote
ivan Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 i recommend campolybacter - got it round colchuck lake a few years ago - cheaper than acid and lasts a hell of a lot longer! high fever for days and what my ass was doing was more like class 9+ on that pg 1 scale Quote
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