Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 After my neighbor got the shit kicked out of him at 2am last night by two drunks driving by, I have a few questions for the legal experts or law enforcement types on this site. In WA: 1) What are the limits of deadly force I can apply to an intruder in my house? 2) What are the limits of deadly force I can apply to an intruder on my property? 3) What are the limits of deadly force I can apply in defending myself from physical assault? 4) What are the limits of deadly force I can apply in defending another person from physical assault? 5) What are your credentials? Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high_on_rock Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 The basic rule is that you can use deadly force to protect yourself from deadly force, whether that is in your house or at the beach. Deadly force is only "reasonable" if preventing deadly force. Whether it is in your house merely helps convince a jury that you had greater reason to fear the threat, and the greater the fear the more reasonable your response. All of this is, of course, for a jury to decide. Retired attorney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 if there are crazy drunks trying to kill you...just try and reason with them. try to understand where they are coming from. sarcastic wingnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 freedom is something you assume; then you wait for somebody to try to take it away from you. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 do what you need to do and deal with the consequences later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 i don't see credentials!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Human Being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 If I wake up and someone's in my house, can I go downstairs and kill them dead on the spot, no questions asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 If I wake up and someone's in my house, can I go downstairs and kill them dead on the spot, no questions asked? I'd say no. you can certainly aim a gun at them, call the cops and hope they don't make any sudden movements. if they do, and you shoot, better hope they have a gun on them and aren't just reaching for their wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Wow, you've really added some depth there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 If two people are bitch stomping a guy on the ground, can I hit one in the head with a baseball bat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 If I wake up and someone's in my house, can I go downstairs and kill them dead on the spot, no questions asked? I hope this is a troll. Even cops have to fill out paperwork when they kill a bad guy. Of course there are questions asked. If someone in your family got drunk, stumbled into their neighbor's house, and got shot dead, wouldn't you want to at least ask a few questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 (edited) If I wake up and someone's in my house, can I go downstairs and kill them dead on the spot, no questions asked? I hope this is a troll. Even cops have to fill out paperwork when they kill a bad guy. Of course there are questions asked. If someone in your family got drunk, stumbled into their neighbor's house, and got shot dead, wouldn't you want to at least ask a few questions? What does the law say? Why should I have to interview a person who broke into my house? Not a troll. After last night I'm considering buying a gun for the house. Edited July 26, 2007 by Choada_Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 If two people are bitch stomping a guy on the ground, can I hit one in the head with a baseball bat? Based on comments above and what I suspect is true, you'd have to convince a jury that your force was justified. If you can convince them that you believed the guy's life is in danger, based on the viciousness, severity and duration of the attack, and then whack them on the head with a baseball bat, and send them into a coma for life, then you will likely be OK. Unless there's a civil suit of course and your wages are garnished for life for the family in terms of "damages". :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 If two people are bitch stomping a guy on the ground, can I hit one in the head with a baseball bat? I want in! In my experience bitch stomping people on the internet I'd say "maybe", but you'd better be sure they're really bitch stomping. creds - internet toughguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 What does the law say? Why should I have to interview a person who broke into my house? Because the lawyers have made it this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'd listen to kk, I think he restarted a router once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'd listen to kk, I think he restarted a router once. I don't do hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lI1|1! Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 violence is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 violence is not the answer. pretty please, stop stomping that guys head in. come on guys, be nice. can't we all just get along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 On a side note, the kid that lives up the street lied to the cops about the ID for his friends that did the stomping. "I met them at the bar and they gave me a ride home." Sure. They knew about the jump in the road and the shortcut out of the neighborhood. Any ideas for some ice cold revenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 If I wake up and someone's in my house, can I go downstairs and kill them dead on the spot, no questions asked? I hope this is a troll. Even cops have to fill out paperwork when they kill a bad guy. Of course there are questions asked. If someone in your family got drunk, stumbled into their neighbor's house, and got shot dead, wouldn't you want to at least ask a few questions? What does the law say? Why should I have to interview a person who broke into my house? Not a troll. After last night I'm considering buying a gun for the house. http://www.courts.wa.gov/library/index.cfm Or, you may wish to take the class for your CW permit; they discuss all those issues. For you in particular I would say to take that class or a basic weapons class long before you run out and buy yourself a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Or, you may wish to take the class for your CW permit; they discuss all those issues. For you in particular I would say to take that class or a basic weapons class long before you run out and buy yourself a gun. Yes. Because guns kill people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 My response to this situation would be less motivated by legal concerns and more driven by my footwear. If I'm in my flip-flops, the guys screwed....Chacas - lookin better...mountaineering boots - watch out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 Basic weapons class?? That was ages 10-15, when I stopped hunting. I want a gun to kill the M.F. in my living room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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