archenemy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) WTF were you doing listening to a woman? Woman on top. Edited July 19, 2007 by archenemy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 whu... were you saying something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 right to effect change! Our right to effect change went by by the minute Bush took office. hmmm...no right to effect change?? whatabout the dem congress?? that was a change voted in. aren't they s'posed to be making changes? they're too busy spraying too. pulling an all-nighter on something they admit won't pass....and wouldn't be binding if it did. Oh but that Dem congress has really been busy enacting laws to bring about the social change they've been promising. Or wait.....What they've actually been doing is voting on resolutions to take our troops out of Iraq, that the president subsequently vetoes that the Senate subsequently doesn't have the votes to overcome nor will it until perhaps the next election. You talk about a bunch of posers....when in the hell are they going to quit their political posturing and start bringing about the social change that they keep talking about. that's the beauty of a split gov't - deadlock baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 People this would affect under this new idea: All elected officials All folks on welfare Contracted businesses with the government. AKA….all Halliburton EE’s My personal favorite…..all oil companies and cigarette companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) So, let's allow congressmen to vote in congress, but not in the general election -- that'll stop all that corruption! Edited July 19, 2007 by robmcdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 So, let's allow congressmen to vote in congress, but not in the general election -- that'll stop all that corruption! Yes....thats right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 wasn't it boxer that said she knew they wouldn't have enough votes for it to pass....but they needed to send a strong message. what a waste of time and money And the conservatives were shocked to learn that the dems were against the war. I think the strong message was sent a long time ago (i.e. the congressional elections). In the meantime it provides a good excuse for why they've been unable to accomplish anything else. That said I suppose I'd rather have them thrashing around like a bunch of idiots than pushing their liberal social agenda.... For instance, how about a bill that makes it legal to kidnap a minor over the age of 12 and bring them across state lines as long as it's for the purpose of performing an abortion. Or how about a bill that makes it legal to dispense the morning after pill for free from the ice-cream truck. I'd also like to see a law that makes all infant onsies that refer to "dad" illegal as they are secretly trying to attack the emotional health of same-sex lesbian couples. Finally I'd like to see a law that specifically excludes Christianity and Judaism from constituitionally granted protection against religious discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 So, let's allow congressmen to vote in congress, but not in the general election -- that'll stop all that corruption! Yes....thats right. Right...cause Congress NEVER pushes pork! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 And I'd like some waffles and chicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Chicken waffles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 cock waffle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 are you trying to earn the cock vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Is this thread about waffles? Because I like waffles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 This thread is about waffles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Is this thread about waffles? Because I like waffles. Yeah, it's about waffles, with chicken mincemeat and gravy. Yum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Is this thread about waffles? Because I like waffles. Yeah, it's about waffles, with chicken mincemeat and gravy. Yum! :anger: Think I'll pass, buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Don’t you think if you are funded by the government than it is a conflict of interest to vote? I do. You would vote for the gravy train of money always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Is this thread about waffles? Because I like waffles. Yeah, it's about waffles, with chicken mincemeat and gravy. Yum! :anger: Think I'll pass, buddy. Looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 yeah, they just get "trapped". all by accident, nothing they ever did (or continue to do). Was talking to my Dad the other day (assistant superindenant, working closely with the WASL, used to be a principal at a very poor elementary school in Spokane where he managed to improve reading and math scores from around 30% to close to 90% in the space of 2 years, yada, yada, yada.... any way, lots and lots of experience dealing with kids from poor families, and lots of time spent looking at how to improve scores and improve kids chances of escaping the poverty cycle) Anyways, a study a few years ago looked at a whole bunch of possible predictors of whether a kid would end up going to college/be gainfully employed/escape the drugs/crime/poverty cycle was? Grades, family life, divorce, single parents, etc, etc, etc, etc...... So any guesses what the best predictor was with nearly a 90% accuracy rate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The opinion of they're 5th grade teacher. So for most kids, by grade 5, they are already on the path that they will be on for the rest of their life. How can you even be responsible for the decisions that affect the rest of your life at that age? That doesn't negate personal responsibility, and some people do manage to break the cycles anyway, but they're few and far between. One big mistake I see made over and over is to assume that you are average and project yourself into the shoes of other people and say you could do better. Very few people I've met in the Seattle area, and even fewer climbers I've met are anyone I would consider in "average", or typically representative of "poor" people (measured in schools by the percent of kids that receive free or reduced lunch). An interesting example is one of the Hell's Angels that was recently convicted in Seattle. Turns out he has a daughter, and is one of the most caring, active parents in his school district. He's still committed murder, and done some nasty shit, but he's also doing everything he can to be a good parent. The problem is that he joined the gang 25 years ago, did some stupid nasty stuff, and now he's stuck. He can be a Hells Angel and try to be a good father. Or he can not be a Hells Angel and die. As a single parent, how does that affect his daughter, and her chances of getting out of the same cycle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 He stated that if you are on government aid of any kind, you should note be allowed to vote. For example…..any government contracts for government business should not be allowed to vote. Only those who pay there own way should be allowed to vote. Otherwise you are just voting were the money comes from. This would also include elected officials. He's entitled to his opinion. He's also a privileged, well paid, likely well educated, reasonably wealthy idiot with a narrow viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 yeah, they just get "trapped". all by accident, nothing they ever did (or continue to do). Was talking to my Dad the other day (assistant superindenant, working closely with the WASL, used to be a principal at a very poor elementary school in Spokane where he managed to improve reading and math scores from around 30% to close to 90% in the space of 2 years, yada, yada, yada.... any way, lots and lots of experience dealing with kids from poor families, and lots of time spent looking at how to improve scores and improve kids chances of escaping the poverty cycle) Anyways, a study a few years ago looked at a whole bunch of possible predictors of whether a kid would end up going to college/be gainfully employed/escape the drugs/crime/poverty cycle was? Grades, family life, divorce, single parents, etc, etc, etc, etc...... So any guesses what the best predictor was with nearly a 90% accuracy rate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The opinion of they're 5th grade teacher. So for most kids, by grade 5, they are already on the path that they will be on for the rest of their life. How can you even be responsible for the decisions that affect the rest of your life at that age? That doesn't negate personal responsibility, and some people do manage to break the cycles anyway, but they're few and far between. One big mistake I see made over and over is to assume that you are average and project yourself into the shoes of other people and say you could do better. Very few people I've met in the Seattle area, and even fewer climbers I've met are anyone I would consider in "average", or typically representative of "poor" people (measured in schools by the percent of kids that receive free or reduced lunch). An interesting example is one of the Hell's Angels that was recently convicted in Seattle. Turns out he has a daughter, and is one of the most caring, active parents in his school district. He's still committed murder, and done some nasty shit, but he's also doing everything he can to be a good parent. The problem is that he joined the gang 25 years ago, did some stupid nasty stuff, and now he's stuck. He can be a Hells Angel and try to be a good father. Or he can not be a Hells Angel and die. As a single parent, how does that affect his daughter, and her chances of getting out of the same cycle? please. people make choices and then blame "fate", "the system" or the "man", but the fact is, they make choices. repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I read that, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) He's entitled to his opinion. He's also a privileged, well paid, likely well educated, reasonably wealthy idiot with a narrow viewpoint. he worked his ass off... you know nothing about the dude, do you Edited July 19, 2007 by underworld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I think a lot of research supports that having two parents in the house has a big impact on the trajectory of young kids Edited July 19, 2007 by ericb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I think a lot of research supports that having two parents in the house has a big impact on the trajectory of young kids wtf are you talking about, eric? Children CHOOSE to be raised poorly. Aren't you listening to KaskadskyjKozak? Sheesh. Edited July 19, 2007 by robmcdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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