DLunkman Posted January 14, 2002 Share Posted January 14, 2002 Hi, I need to resling some of my cams. What do you guys do for reslinging cams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 14, 2002 Share Posted January 14, 2002 http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=000050Check this out. Hope it helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyjizzy Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 If you want, you can thread them with your own webbing or perlon. Friends were origanally sold bare until about 1985 or so, and Metolius TCU's came bare until probably 1988. I don't think that there was ever an issue with people using their own webbing, only that people like the pre-sewn slings. Sewn slings are less bulky, and shorter. I continue to use tied webbing and perlon on my older friends, and have never had a second thought about safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Depending on what type of cams you use, both BD and Metolius will resling and wire cams for pretty cheap. Last time I sent my cams in to Met it was a year ago and they charged 7 bucks a cam to rewire, resling and mail the cam back. I received the cams back in about 4-6 weeks. I'm sending another batch in this week and I'll post if prices change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 If you are reslinging cams get them to sew on a double sling like the new DMMs/Trangos etc. instead of an old single sling. Or just get some Spectra/tech Cord and resling yourself if you dont mind a cluster@$#%&*! double or triple fishermans on your sling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael_H Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 I wonder if it is possible to use steel cable to resling BD, WC and even Metolius and Aliens? This may possibly be cheaper in a long run and racking would be easier. Some placement problems can occur though but I'd think it'd be worth a try unless there is a serious problem with doing so, such as, wire cutting the cam's body, etc. Does anybody have such experience or intelligent thoughts on this? Black Diamond, EW, what do you think? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus_Engley Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Rafael H: I wonder if it is possible to use steel cable to resling BD, WC and even Metolius and Aliens? Does anybody have such experience or intelligent thoughts on this? Black Diamond, EW, what do you think? Thanks. Rafael, To add to Will's list, I think steel cable would be a bad idea because it would probably chew up your biners, unless you switched to SS. Aluminum's soft enough to wear fast, when up against something as stout as the cable would be... m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyjizzy Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 While I agree that wire rope would not normally be a good idea for cams, I disagree with most of the reasons. 1) I don't think that they would chew up biners. Do wired nuts, ice screws, bolts, and pitons destroy biners? 2) I would not be concerned with strength. I have done tons of swagging of climbing gear at marine shops, and once decided to test the strenght of my work. I clipped a bunch of biners between swages that I had done, and older Chouinard wires, tied one end to a stout tree, and the other to a old D-4 my dad owned. a couple new biners failed before my homemade swages did. Nicopress swages are heavier than the swages on wired nuts because manufacturers are able to use nice equipment, which is able to crush a steel sleeve instead of the heavier maleable copper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus_Engley Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by crazyjz: 1) I don't think that they would chew up biners. Do wired nuts, ice screws, bolts, and pitons destroy biners? True. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a stout cable in a biner, under a constant heavy load, which might saw into the biner eventually. Perhaps not, and admittedly not at all like the application Rafael was suggesting. Why then do you think cables would be a bad idea, crazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael_H Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 After some consideration I think that practically for somebody like me, with no access to special equipment it is just as expensive and more troublesome to replace with wire as it is with webbing. Another disadvantage is weight. I also disagree with all the other comments, even including the placement one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Rafael H: I wonder if it is possible to use steel cable to resling BD, WC and even Metolius and Aliens? Does anybody have such experience or intelligent thoughts on this? Black Diamond, EW, what do you think? Thanks. I'd say bad idea for a few reasons. First, the cable is stiff and wouldn't "drape" well. Second, after a little wear one or more of the strands will fray and then it'll gouge the shit out of your hand repeatedly. Third, you're relying on a swage, which is cool for 'heads etc, and probably is super strong, but you have no real way of knowing beyond the nicopress specs for swaging size. Finally, the cable will eventually kink, is heavier than webbing, and to get something not prohibitely rigid you'd have to use really small (although still wau strong) cable such as 3/32 or 1/8th. Seems like the nylon would actually last longer because it can fray a little without needing to be replaced whereas a frayed cable sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latch_Holeflaffer Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 If you live in the Portland area, Climb Max does this at a reasonable rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EW Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Hmmm...intelligent thoughts.....I don't know about that...but....Most of what has already been posted is good advice. I'd go for knotted webbing first as it's cheaper, pretty strong (less overall strength by about 15% or so than a bartacked runner)and can be done in a few minutes without having to ship your gear off to someone to do the bartacking. I'd shy away from cable for one possible reason - I'd bet that cabling cams would make them harder to use in most situations. Cable is usually really stiff and unwieldy unless it's compressed into a sleeve, like a wired nut, etc. My .02. ew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I would think cable would promote walking more than webbing or cord would, the same way a quickdraw gives more flex in the system than just 2 biners clipped together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 That's why you shouldn't buy those stupid dogbone draws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 FWIW, If you want cables swaged to your cams for slings(I wouldn't personally for the reasons I listed in the prior post) I can do it for you, give me a call and drop by my place sometime probably take an hour and a half to do a set. We can work out compensation via trade (I like beer, I like herb, I like entertaining stories). I've got cable in 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 5/32, 3/16 and swages for all of 'em. PM me if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Chuck - I know you hate those things, but I find the "dog bones" work pretty well for me (for those who may not recognize this term of art, a "dog bone" is what most of us call a quick-draw, bar-tacked so as to close off any loop, make a tight connection to the biners at either end, and to stiffen the whole unit). I use the sling loops on the end of my cams for the flexibility that is generally sufficient to prevent my cams from walking into a crack. When I detect a potential problem, I add an extra biner or hang an extra piece on the runner to weight it and thus minimize up and down movement, or I use a longer runner (which on my rack is a loop). The dog bones keep the biners hanging the right way up and facilitate rapid clipping when one is on an insecure stance. - Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 You sport climbers!! I hate you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 "dog bones" is so early 90's. you probably got a closet full of plaid flannel shirts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Actually I did just toss out 3 flannels last week. I listened to Nirvana the other day and found that I don't like them anymore, but Sonic Youth still rules! So one day I went to that Exit 32 sporto crag with two friends that had just met that day. Guy #1 pulls out his shiny new gear which includes many dogbone draws. Friend #2, who posts to this board, immediately blurts out "Hey! POSER DRAWS!" Nice first impression. The reason I hate poser/dogbone draws is because I fear their stiffness could cause 1) friends to walk, stoppers to worm out, 2) more rope drag due to not letting the rope orient itself as easily 3) easier rope unclipping in a fall past it. I do agree that they could help in a difficult clip and would certainly like to use them on some of those BB sporto routes that have the clip just out of reach from a nice stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by chucK: I do agree that they could help in a difficult clip and would certainly like to use them on some of those BB sporto routes that have the clip just out of reach from a nice stance. That's what the Kong Frog is for!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael_H Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 quote: Originally posted by willstrickland: FWIW,If you want cables ... Thank you for the offer, it is simpler to try those guys at Squamish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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